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From changing its name to losing 'Doctor Who': Syfy's biggest mistakes
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TMC
2011-09-02 08:07:49 UTC
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1. Canceling Stargate Atlantis.
Stargate Atlantis ran concurrently with Stargate: SG-1 for its first
three years. So there was plenty of precedent for running two Stargate
shows concurrently. And Stargate Atlantis was still scoring pretty
solid ratings when Syfy decided to pull the plug on it and launch
Stargate Universe instead. Continuing Stargate Atlantis after the
launch of Stargate Universe might have kept fans of a lighter Stargate
happy, as well as signaling that the Stargate franchise was merely
growing, not changing direction. Thanks for this idea, Tom!

2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship. Syfy's Flash Gordon reboot involved
Flash stepping through a portal to another world, Mongo, which managed
to be simultaneously ultra-campy and kind of dull. (We nicknamed the
show's villain Ming the Middle-Manager, for his aura of seeming fussy
and dyspeptic, rather than actually bad-ass.) They ditched the cool
part of Flash — the space adventure — in favor of all of the campy,
dated stuff.

3. Abandoning Friday nights as an action-adventure bloc.
Would Battlestar Galactica have maintained its rock-solid ratings if
Syfy had moved it to Tuesdays or Mondays — or would it have suffered
the same fate as Caprica and Stargate Universe? We'll never know. But
BSG had been steady on Friday nights since the beginning of its second
season. In fact, Friday night had become a reliable home for Syfy's
more action-oriented shows, and lately only Haven appears there,
alongside wrestling. (Which might do just as well on another night.)

4. Marcel's Quantum Kitchen
When word first leaked that Syfy was doing a cooking show, we mocked.
It seemed to be pushing Syfy's identity a little too far away from
science fiction — and outside their core competency. And indeed,
Marcel's Quantum Kitchen was a pretty dismal failure, winning just
330,000 viewers for its final episode. (Even if it is cheap to make.)
Syfy has carved out a niche in spooky reality TV like Ghost Hunters
and Destination Truth — shows that I personally will never watch — and
Marcel's Quantum Kitchen was just a few steps too far.

5. Making Caprica a Battlestar prequel instead of a standalone show
Producer Remi Aubuchon came to Universal with a pitch for a new show
about artificial intelligence, robots and the creation of life. And
the studio and/or Syfy encouraged Aubuchon to collaborate with Ronald
D. Moore and David Eick, to turn his idea into a Battlestar Galactica
prequel — instead of launching it as a new venture. In retrospect,
that was clearly a mistake. Everything that was great about Caprica
could have been great as a new show, but the show felt weighed down by
the need to connect up with what we already knew would happen later.
The show was caught in a chokehold of existing mythology from the
first episode — and it was clearly bursting with new ideas that we'd
have loved to see develop further.

6. Not picking up Firefly
Okay, so this one might have an element of wishful thinking. But
around the time that Firefly was getting axed by Fox, there was plenty
of clamor for the Sci-Fi Channel to make a bid to continue Joss
Whedon's masterpiece. There were certainly reports at the time that,
as a 2003 article from the Deseret News puts it, "Firefly was shopped
to other outlets (including the Sci-Fi Channel) but nobody bought it."
Maybe this was never a serious possibility. Maybe it was impossible,
for economic reasons. But the Sci-Fi Channel had picked up Stargate:
SG-1 from Showtime not long earlier.

7. Letting Doctor Who get away.
When Doctor Who came back to life in 2005, Syfy seemed to have mixed
feelings about it. Everybody expected Syfy to pick up the new show,
since after all the channel had launched with classic Doctor Who
repeats in heavy rotation — but Syfy dragged its feet for months, not
airing the Christopher Eccleston episodes until March 2006. The
channel frequently aired Doctor Who in first run with deep cuts to
episodes, and never seemed to have much urgency to air them soon after
their British airings. Finally, Syfy let the show go off to BBC
America, which has propelled it to new ratings heights by treating it
as a major event.

8. Not owning space opera
In the past decade, space opera on television has gone from half a
dozen shows to... none. The 2011 fall TV season in the U.S. won't
include any shows set in space or on a spaceship, on any channel. This
presents a huge opportunity to Syfy, to be the channel that gives you
what you can't get anywhere else. and here's where we mention Syfy's
mistake in cancelling Farscape, as well as the aforementioned mistakes
with Stargate Atlantis and keeping Flash Gordon grounded. Syfy can
reach out to a larger audience that doesn't want to see shows about
starships and pew-pew-pew — and still nurture the audience that seeks
those things out. Those are not contradictory goals.

9. The name change
Actually, this one is still up in the air, because Syfy's strategy
still hasn't played out. Part of the rationale behind creating a new
brand name was the ability to brand new associated Syfy ventures,
including Syfy Kids, Syfy Films and Syfy Games. So far, these ventures
appear to have generated very little heat — but it's early yet. Syfy
Films is supposed to have its first theatrical release in 2012 —
although shouldn't that already be in production at this point? In
other ways, though, we can judge the name change a failure. According
to Proud Creative (PDF), which worked on the brand campaign, the goal
was "retaining the positive associations from the genre of science
fiction, whilst appealing to a broader audience and embracing the
benefits of imagination." And the marketing campaign for Caprica, for
example, seemed to emphasize its appeal to that broader audience,
without much noticeable success. Also, as Wired's GeekDad blog pointed
out recently, Syfy's Mark Stern told io9 in 2009 that the name change
would allow Syfy to greenlight more hard science fiction, because
"hard scifi on the Sci-Fi Channel is almost like this double whammy.
Now that we have a brand that is a little broader ... it also gives us
a lot of freedom to do more hard scifi." (In the same interview, Stern
said the channel was looking at launching a new space opera in 2010 or
2011 — we're still waiting!) So if one goal of the name change was to
free up Syfy to do more hard science fiction, then it clearly hasn't
worked.

10. Canceling Eureka
And finally... this is what started us thinking about this topic.
Eureka wrapped production on its final ever episode yesterday. And
this still seems really arbitrary, for a show that was still going
strong after four seasons. It would be one thing if Eureka was pulling
in Stargate Universe numbers, but it's not. The most recent episode
drew 2.1 million viewers, compared with 2.3 million for Warehouse 13
and just 1.8 million for Alphas. As Geek Dad points out, this follows
a legacy of canceling Farscape and Dresden Files, both of which were
still enjoying decent ratings.
Duggy
2011-09-02 11:33:46 UTC
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1. Canceling Stargate Atlantis.
Stargate Atlantis ran concurrently with Stargate: SG-1 for its first
three years. So there was plenty of precedent for running two Stargate
shows concurrently. And Stargate Atlantis was still scoring pretty
solid ratings when Syfy decided to pull the plug on it and launch
Stargate Universe instead. Continuing Stargate Atlantis after the
launch of Stargate Universe might have kept fans of a lighter Stargate
happy, as well as signaling that the Stargate franchise was merely
growing, not changing direction. Thanks for this idea, Tom!
Fair enough.
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship. Syfy's Flash Gordon reboot involved
Flash stepping through a portal to another world, Mongo, which managed
to be simultaneously ultra-campy and kind of dull. (We nicknamed the
show's villain Ming the Middle-Manager, for his aura of seeming fussy
and dyspeptic, rather than actually bad-ass.) They ditched the cool
part of Flash — the space adventure — in favor of all of the campy,
dated stuff.
Flash Gordon was always pretty Mongo-bound. Making it Earthbound was
a stupid move, though.
5. Making Caprica a Battlestar prequel instead of a standalone show
Producer Remi Aubuchon came to Universal with a pitch for a new show
about artificial intelligence, robots and the creation of life. And
the studio and/or Syfy encouraged Aubuchon to collaborate with Ronald
D. Moore and David Eick, to turn his idea into a Battlestar Galactica
prequel — instead of launching it as a new venture. In retrospect,
that was clearly a mistake. Everything that was great about Caprica
could have been great as a new show, but the show felt weighed down by
the need to connect up with what we already knew would happen later.
The show was caught in a chokehold of existing mythology from the
first episode — and it was clearly bursting with new ideas that we'd
have loved to see develop further.
Ronald Moore want to do a space show... it didn't sell. Sci-Fi pushed
him to do BSG which had just lost it's showrunner. He turned it into
his other show.

Ronald Moore wanted to do a BSG prequel, they wanted to make a prequel
with Moore. If Remi's show hadn't been folded in to Caprica we would
have only had Caprica not Remi's show.
6. Not picking up Firefly
Okay, so this one might have an element of wishful thinking.
So did the last one.
7. Letting Doctor Who get away.
They had a choice?
8. Not owning space opera
In the past decade, space opera on television has gone from half a
dozen shows to... none.
It seems to be a deliberate plan to get expand beyond the SF geek
audience. Bad idea.
Those are not contradictory goals.
Sometimes can to be.
9. The name change
See #8.
10. Canceling Eureka
They're the one spending the money. You want it, you pay for it.

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Agamemnon
2011-09-02 11:53:02 UTC
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What about showing professional wrestling?

It's a complete joke as is it's name change.

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http://io9.com/5836461/10-actual-mistakes-that-syfy-has-made-over-the-years

1. Canceling Stargate Atlantis.
Stargate Atlantis ran concurrently with Stargate: SG-1 for its first
three years. So there was plenty of precedent for running two Stargate
shows concurrently. And Stargate Atlantis was still scoring pretty
solid ratings when Syfy decided to pull the plug on it and launch
Stargate Universe instead. Continuing Stargate Atlantis after the
launch of Stargate Universe might have kept fans of a lighter Stargate
happy, as well as signaling that the Stargate franchise was merely
growing, not changing direction. Thanks for this idea, Tom!

2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship. Syfy's Flash Gordon reboot involved
Flash stepping through a portal to another world, Mongo, which managed
to be simultaneously ultra-campy and kind of dull. (We nicknamed the
show's villain Ming the Middle-Manager, for his aura of seeming fussy
and dyspeptic, rather than actually bad-ass.) They ditched the cool
part of Flash — the space adventure — in favor of all of the campy,
dated stuff.

3. Abandoning Friday nights as an action-adventure bloc.
Would Battlestar Galactica have maintained its rock-solid ratings if
Syfy had moved it to Tuesdays or Mondays — or would it have suffered
the same fate as Caprica and Stargate Universe? We'll never know. But
BSG had been steady on Friday nights since the beginning of its second
season. In fact, Friday night had become a reliable home for Syfy's
more action-oriented shows, and lately only Haven appears there,
alongside wrestling. (Which might do just as well on another night.)

4. Marcel's Quantum Kitchen
When word first leaked that Syfy was doing a cooking show, we mocked.
It seemed to be pushing Syfy's identity a little too far away from
science fiction — and outside their core competency. And indeed,
Marcel's Quantum Kitchen was a pretty dismal failure, winning just
330,000 viewers for its final episode. (Even if it is cheap to make.)
Syfy has carved out a niche in spooky reality TV like Ghost Hunters
and Destination Truth — shows that I personally will never watch — and
Marcel's Quantum Kitchen was just a few steps too far.

5. Making Caprica a Battlestar prequel instead of a standalone show
Producer Remi Aubuchon came to Universal with a pitch for a new show
about artificial intelligence, robots and the creation of life. And
the studio and/or Syfy encouraged Aubuchon to collaborate with Ronald
D. Moore and David Eick, to turn his idea into a Battlestar Galactica
prequel — instead of launching it as a new venture. In retrospect,
that was clearly a mistake. Everything that was great about Caprica
could have been great as a new show, but the show felt weighed down by
the need to connect up with what we already knew would happen later.
The show was caught in a chokehold of existing mythology from the
first episode — and it was clearly bursting with new ideas that we'd
have loved to see develop further.

6. Not picking up Firefly
Okay, so this one might have an element of wishful thinking. But
around the time that Firefly was getting axed by Fox, there was plenty
of clamor for the Sci-Fi Channel to make a bid to continue Joss
Whedon's masterpiece. There were certainly reports at the time that,
as a 2003 article from the Deseret News puts it, "Firefly was shopped
to other outlets (including the Sci-Fi Channel) but nobody bought it."
Maybe this was never a serious possibility. Maybe it was impossible,
for economic reasons. But the Sci-Fi Channel had picked up Stargate:
SG-1 from Showtime not long earlier.

7. Letting Doctor Who get away.
When Doctor Who came back to life in 2005, Syfy seemed to have mixed
feelings about it. Everybody expected Syfy to pick up the new show,
since after all the channel had launched with classic Doctor Who
repeats in heavy rotation — but Syfy dragged its feet for months, not
airing the Christopher Eccleston episodes until March 2006. The
channel frequently aired Doctor Who in first run with deep cuts to
episodes, and never seemed to have much urgency to air them soon after
their British airings. Finally, Syfy let the show go off to BBC
America, which has propelled it to new ratings heights by treating it
as a major event.

8. Not owning space opera
In the past decade, space opera on television has gone from half a
dozen shows to... none. The 2011 fall TV season in the U.S. won't
include any shows set in space or on a spaceship, on any channel. This
presents a huge opportunity to Syfy, to be the channel that gives you
what you can't get anywhere else. and here's where we mention Syfy's
mistake in cancelling Farscape, as well as the aforementioned mistakes
with Stargate Atlantis and keeping Flash Gordon grounded. Syfy can
reach out to a larger audience that doesn't want to see shows about
starships and pew-pew-pew — and still nurture the audience that seeks
those things out. Those are not contradictory goals.

9. The name change
Actually, this one is still up in the air, because Syfy's strategy
still hasn't played out. Part of the rationale behind creating a new
brand name was the ability to brand new associated Syfy ventures,
including Syfy Kids, Syfy Films and Syfy Games. So far, these ventures
appear to have generated very little heat — but it's early yet. Syfy
Films is supposed to have its first theatrical release in 2012 —
although shouldn't that already be in production at this point? In
other ways, though, we can judge the name change a failure. According
to Proud Creative (PDF), which worked on the brand campaign, the goal
was "retaining the positive associations from the genre of science
fiction, whilst appealing to a broader audience and embracing the
benefits of imagination." And the marketing campaign for Caprica, for
example, seemed to emphasize its appeal to that broader audience,
without much noticeable success. Also, as Wired's GeekDad blog pointed
out recently, Syfy's Mark Stern told io9 in 2009 that the name change
would allow Syfy to greenlight more hard science fiction, because
"hard scifi on the Sci-Fi Channel is almost like this double whammy.
Now that we have a brand that is a little broader ... it also gives us
a lot of freedom to do more hard scifi." (In the same interview, Stern
said the channel was looking at launching a new space opera in 2010 or
2011 — we're still waiting!) So if one goal of the name change was to
free up Syfy to do more hard science fiction, then it clearly hasn't
worked.

10. Canceling Eureka
And finally... this is what started us thinking about this topic.
Eureka wrapped production on its final ever episode yesterday. And
this still seems really arbitrary, for a show that was still going
strong after four seasons. It would be one thing if Eureka was pulling
in Stargate Universe numbers, but it's not. The most recent episode
drew 2.1 million viewers, compared with 2.3 million for Warehouse 13
and just 1.8 million for Alphas. As Geek Dad points out, this follows
a legacy of canceling Farscape and Dresden Files, both of which were
still enjoying decent ratings.
Orval Fairbairn
2011-09-02 17:58:32 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
What about showing professional wrestling?
Well, they got the "fiction" part right.
Dano
2011-09-02 19:00:27 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
What about showing professional wrestling?
Well, they got the "fiction" part right.

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They got the <sigh> part right in that case too...
The Doctor
2011-09-02 20:17:04 UTC
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Post by Agamemnon
What about showing professional wrestling?
Well, they got the "fiction" part right.
LOL!
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Post by Agamemnon
What about showing professional wrestling?
Well, they got the "fiction" part right.
Shouldn't that be fyction?

Phil
AC
2011-09-02 12:01:03 UTC
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Post by TMC
http://io9.com/5836461/10-actual-mistakes-that-syfy-has-made-over-the-years
1. Canceling Stargate Atlantis.
Stargate Atlantis ran concurrently with Stargate: SG-1 for its first
three years. So there was plenty of precedent for running two Stargate
shows concurrently. And Stargate Atlantis was still scoring pretty
solid ratings when Syfy decided to pull the plug on it and launch
Stargate Universe instead. Continuing Stargate Atlantis after the
launch of Stargate Universe might have kept fans of a lighter Stargate
happy, as well as signaling that the Stargate franchise was merely
growing, not changing direction. Thanks for this idea, Tom!
SGU looked expensive, I imagine they could not afford both. At the time,
it made sense to do a "BSG" type show. Problem is, they did all the
style, but cocked up the arc plotting. Remember, it was sold as an arc
show.

SGA was just too lite and not much different from SG1. In some ways,
they whould have not bothered with SGA and refreshed SG1.
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship. Syfy's Flash Gordon reboot involved
Flash stepping through a portal to another world, Mongo, which managed
to be simultaneously ultra-campy and kind of dull. (We nicknamed the
show's villain Ming the Middle-Manager, for his aura of seeming fussy
and dyspeptic, rather than actually bad-ass.) They ditched the cool
part of Flash — the space adventure — in favor of all of the campy,
dated stuff.
I liked Flash. No, not great but good enough. Two problems: 1, all I
could think of was "where the damn Queen music", and 2, often it looked
like its was shot in a back yard by students.
Post by TMC
3. Abandoning Friday nights as an action-adventure bloc.
Would Battlestar Galactica have maintained its rock-solid ratings if
Syfy had moved it to Tuesdays or Mondays — or would it have suffered
the same fate as Caprica and Stargate Universe? We'll never know. But
BSG had been steady on Friday nights since the beginning of its second
season. In fact, Friday night had become a reliable home for Syfy's
more action-oriented shows, and lately only Haven appears there,
alongside wrestling. (Which might do just as well on another night.)
4. Marcel's Quantum Kitchen
When word first leaked that Syfy was doing a cooking show, we mocked.
It seemed to be pushing Syfy's identity a little too far away from
science fiction — and outside their core competency. And indeed,
Marcel's Quantum Kitchen was a pretty dismal failure, winning just
330,000 viewers for its final episode. (Even if it is cheap to make.)
Syfy has carved out a niche in spooky reality TV like Ghost Hunters
and Destination Truth — shows that I personally will never watch — and
Marcel's Quantum Kitchen was just a few steps too far.
5. Making Caprica a Battlestar prequel instead of a standalone show
Producer Remi Aubuchon came to Universal with a pitch for a new show
about artificial intelligence, robots and the creation of life. And
the studio and/or Syfy encouraged Aubuchon to collaborate with Ronald
D. Moore and David Eick, to turn his idea into a Battlestar Galactica
prequel — instead of launching it as a new venture. In retrospect,
that was clearly a mistake. Everything that was great about Caprica
could have been great as a new show, but the show felt weighed down by
the need to connect up with what we already knew would happen later.
The show was caught in a chokehold of existing mythology from the
first episode — and it was clearly bursting with new ideas that we'd
have loved to see develop further.
I really dont know what happened to Caprica. On paper its was the
perfect "AC" show. I watched 4-5 episodes and it bored me senseless.
Post by TMC
6. Not picking up Firefly
Okay, so this one might have an element of wishful thinking. But
around the time that Firefly was getting axed by Fox, there was plenty
of clamor for the Sci-Fi Channel to make a bid to continue Joss
Whedon's masterpiece. There were certainly reports at the time that,
as a 2003 article from the Deseret News puts it, "Firefly was shopped
to other outlets (including the Sci-Fi Channel) but nobody bought it."
Maybe this was never a serious possibility. Maybe it was impossible,
SG-1 from Showtime not long earlier.
I agree, but that's no more than a fan wank.
Post by TMC
7. Letting Doctor Who get away.
When Doctor Who came back to life in 2005, Syfy seemed to have mixed
feelings about it. Everybody expected Syfy to pick up the new show,
since after all the channel had launched with classic Doctor Who
repeats in heavy rotation — but Syfy dragged its feet for months, not
airing the Christopher Eccleston episodes until March 2006. The
channel frequently aired Doctor Who in first run with deep cuts to
episodes, and never seemed to have much urgency to air them soon after
their British airings. Finally, Syfy let the show go off to BBC
America, which has propelled it to new ratings heights by treating it
as a major event.
As a Brit I just assume DW is great and everyone on the planet who
doesn't like it should be shot. But really? That popular in the US?
Post by TMC
8. Not owning space opera
In the past decade, space opera on television has gone from half a
dozen shows to... none. The 2011 fall TV season in the U.S. won't
include any shows set in space or on a spaceship, on any channel. This
presents a huge opportunity to Syfy, to be the channel that gives you
what you can't get anywhere else. and here's where we mention Syfy's
mistake in cancelling Farscape, as well as the aforementioned mistakes
with Stargate Atlantis and keeping Flash Gordon grounded. Syfy can
reach out to a larger audience that doesn't want to see shows about
starships and pew-pew-pew — and still nurture the audience that seeks
those things out. Those are not contradictory goals.
I cant disagree there. I adore proper space opera, but AFAIAC, there has
only really been one, Babylon 5. The others were funky and spacey, and
good junk food as it were, but not proper space opera at all. So, I'm
not sure the channel can "own" something that hasn't really existed or
proved massively popular.
Post by TMC
9. The name change
Actually, this one is still up in the air, because Syfy's strategy
still hasn't played out. Part of the rationale behind creating a new
brand name was the ability to brand new associated Syfy ventures,
including Syfy Kids, Syfy Films and Syfy Games. So far, these ventures
appear to have generated very little heat — but it's early yet. Syfy
Films is supposed to have its first theatrical release in 2012 —
although shouldn't that already be in production at this point? In
other ways, though, we can judge the name change a failure. According
to Proud Creative (PDF), which worked on the brand campaign, the goal
was "retaining the positive associations from the genre of science
fiction, whilst appealing to a broader audience and embracing the
benefits of imagination." And the marketing campaign for Caprica, for
example, seemed to emphasize its appeal to that broader audience,
without much noticeable success. Also, as Wired's GeekDad blog pointed
out recently, Syfy's Mark Stern told io9 in 2009 that the name change
would allow Syfy to greenlight more hard science fiction, because
"hard scifi on the Sci-Fi Channel is almost like this double whammy.
Now that we have a brand that is a little broader ... it also gives us
a lot of freedom to do more hard scifi." (In the same interview, Stern
said the channel was looking at launching a new space opera in 2010 or
2011 — we're still waiting!) So if one goal of the name change was to
free up Syfy to do more hard science fiction, then it clearly hasn't
worked.
Interesting ideas there. Lets hope it works out.

Given all that, how is it entered as a mistake by the channel?
Post by TMC
10. Canceling Eureka
And finally... this is what started us thinking about this topic.
Eureka wrapped production on its final ever episode yesterday. And
this still seems really arbitrary, for a show that was still going
strong after four seasons. It would be one thing if Eureka was pulling
in Stargate Universe numbers, but it's not. The most recent episode
drew 2.1 million viewers, compared with 2.3 million for Warehouse 13
and just 1.8 million for Alphas. As Geek Dad points out, this follows
a legacy of canceling Farscape and Dresden Files, both of which were
still enjoying decent ratings.
IMHO, Eureka got tired a while ago. I used to quite like it but really,
its just pap. Also, it turns out Warehouse 13 is a spin off, so what
good about Eureka could well turn up there. I wonder if the idea is to
use the money better else where.
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AC
RT
2011-09-04 16:44:40 UTC
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Post by TMC
http://io9.com/5836461/10-actual-mistakes-that-syfy-has-made-over-the-years
1. Canceling Stargate Atlantis.
Stargate Atlantis ran concurrently with Stargate: SG-1 for its first
three years. So there was plenty of precedent for running two Stargate
shows concurrently. And Stargate Atlantis was still scoring pretty
solid ratings when Syfy decided to pull the plug on it and launch
Stargate Universe instead. Continuing Stargate Atlantis after the
launch of Stargate Universe might have kept fans of a lighter Stargate
happy, as well as signaling that the Stargate franchise was merely
growing, not changing direction. Thanks for this idea, Tom!
SGU looked expensive, I imagine they could not afford both. At the time,
it made sense to do a "BSG" type show. Problem is, they did all the
style, but cocked up the arc plotting. Remember, it was sold as an arc
show.
SGA was just too lite and not much different from SG1. In some ways,
they whould have not bothered with SGA and refreshed SG1.
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship. Syfy's Flash Gordon reboot involved
Flash stepping through a portal to another world, Mongo, which managed
to be simultaneously ultra-campy and kind of dull. (We nicknamed the
show's villain Ming the Middle-Manager, for his aura of seeming fussy
and dyspeptic, rather than actually bad-ass.) They ditched the cool
part of Flash — the space adventure — in favor of all of the campy,
dated stuff.
I liked Flash. No, not great but good enough. Two problems: 1, all I
could think of was "where the damn Queen music", and 2, often it looked
like its was shot in a back yard by students.
Argh. It was cheap crap. One episode was enough to confirm it would be
cheap from start to finish.
Post by AC
Post by TMC
7. Letting Doctor Who get away.
When Doctor Who came back to life in 2005, Syfy seemed to have mixed
feelings about it. Everybody expected Syfy to pick up the new show,
since after all the channel had launched with classic Doctor Who
repeats in heavy rotation — but Syfy dragged its feet for months, not
airing the Christopher Eccleston episodes until March 2006. The
channel frequently aired Doctor Who in first run with deep cuts to
episodes, and never seemed to have much urgency to air them soon after
their British airings. Finally, Syfy let the show go off to BBC
America, which has propelled it to new ratings heights by treating it
as a major event.
As a Brit I just assume DW is great and everyone on the planet who
doesn't like it should be shot. But really? That popular in the US?
Yes. Really. For years. And the ones who don't like *should* be shot, but
only after water boarding, electrocution, dismemberment, etc. And then go to
work on them.
Post by AC
Post by TMC
8. Not owning space opera
In the past decade, space opera on television has gone from half a
dozen shows to... none. The 2011 fall TV season in the U.S. won't
include any shows set in space or on a spaceship, on any channel. This
presents a huge opportunity to Syfy, to be the channel that gives you
what you can't get anywhere else. and here's where we mention Syfy's
mistake in cancelling Farscape, as well as the aforementioned mistakes
with Stargate Atlantis and keeping Flash Gordon grounded. Syfy can
reach out to a larger audience that doesn't want to see shows about
starships and pew-pew-pew — and still nurture the audience that seeks
those things out. Those are not contradictory goals.
I cant disagree there. I adore proper space opera, but AFAIAC, there has
only really been one, Babylon 5. The others were funky and spacey, and
good junk food as it were, but not proper space opera at all. So, I'm
not sure the channel can "own" something that hasn't really existed or
proved massively popular.
Ah, B5... how you are missed.
p***@aol.com
2011-09-11 03:08:25 UTC
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Post by AC
http://io9.com/5836461/10-actual-mistakes-that-syfy-has-made-over-the...
1. Canceling Stargate Atlantis.
Stargate Atlantis ran concurrently with Stargate: SG-1 for its first
three years. So there was plenty of precedent for running two Stargate
shows concurrently. And Stargate Atlantis was still scoring pretty
solid ratings when Syfy decided to pull the plug on it and launch
Stargate Universe instead. Continuing Stargate Atlantis after the
launch of Stargate Universe might have kept fans of a lighter Stargate
happy, as well as signaling that the Stargate franchise was merely
growing, not changing direction. Thanks for this idea, Tom!
SGU looked expensive, I imagine they could not afford both. At the time,
it made sense to do a "BSG" type show. Problem is, they did all the
style, but cocked up the arc plotting. Remember, it was sold as an arc
show.
SGA was just too lite and not much different from SG1. In some ways,
they whould have not bothered with SGA and refreshed SG1.
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship. Syfy's Flash Gordon reboot involved
Flash stepping through a portal to another world, Mongo, which managed
to be simultaneously ultra-campy and kind of dull. (We nicknamed the
show's villain Ming the Middle-Manager, for his aura of seeming fussy
and dyspeptic, rather than actually bad-ass.) They ditched the cool
part of Flash — the space adventure — in favor of all of the campy,
dated stuff.
I liked Flash. No, not great but good enough. Two problems: 1, all I
could think of was "where the damn Queen music",
And where was Brian Blessed??

I think the best advert a new Flash revival could have would be simply
to say: "And this time no one will say 'Flash, Flash, I love you, and
we only have 14 minutes to save the Earth!'"

and 2, often it looked
Post by AC
like its was shot in a back yard by students.
The latter finally stopped me watching after I'd struggled through 4
or 5 episodes - I think the defining moment was the comically bad
attempt at explaining away the 'birdmen' of the original Flash as a
bunch of tribesmen with a costume fetish and a habit of squawking at
their opponents while flapping their arms.
Post by AC
5. Making Caprica a Battlestar prequel instead of a standalone show
Producer Remi Aubuchon came to Universal with a pitch for a new show
about artificial intelligence, robots and the creation of life. And
the studio and/or Syfy encouraged Aubuchon to collaborate with Ronald
D. Moore and David Eick, to turn his idea into a Battlestar Galactica
prequel — instead of launching it as a new venture. In retrospect,
that was clearly a mistake. Everything that was great about Caprica
could have been great as a new show, but the show felt weighed down by
the need to connect up with what we already knew would happen later.
The show was caught in a chokehold of existing mythology from the
first episode — and it was clearly bursting with new ideas that we'd
have loved to see develop further.
I really dont know what happened to Caprica. On paper its was the
perfect "AC" show. I watched 4-5 episodes and it bored me senseless.
It got wrapped up in trying to appeal to a wide audience at the
expense of telling a single story with a single, coherent plot, so we
got teen opera for the kids, The Sopranos for, well, fans of The
Sopranos, token Cylons for the BSG fans, and a whole random add-on of
outdated Matrix effects fpr the fans of bad, overly-pretentious sci-fi
action movies.
Post by AC
7. Letting Doctor Who get away.
When Doctor Who came back to life in 2005, Syfy seemed to have mixed
feelings about it. Everybody expected Syfy to pick up the new show,
since after all the channel had launched with classic Doctor Who
repeats in heavy rotation — but Syfy dragged its feet for months, not
airing the Christopher Eccleston episodes until March 2006. The
channel frequently aired Doctor Who in first run with deep cuts to
episodes, and never seemed to have much urgency to air them soon after
their British airings. Finally, Syfy let the show go off to BBC
America, which has propelled it to new ratings heights by treating it
as a major event.
As a Brit I just assume DW is great and everyone on the planet who
doesn't like it should be shot. But really? That popular in the US?
In relative terms. BBC America is a minor subscription-only channel,
but Dr Who is the channel's flagship show.
Post by AC
I cant disagree there. I adore proper space opera, but AFAIAC, there has
only really been one, Babylon 5. The others were funky and spacey, and
good junk food as it were, but not proper space opera at all.
How is that substantially different from Babylon 5?

Phil
Dano
2011-09-02 15:07:06 UTC
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How about buying Charlie Jade...only to bury it overnite, showing it at like
2 or 3 in the a.m. with no promotion?

Never got that at all either. What a waste.
RT
2011-09-04 16:46:16 UTC
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Post by Dano
How about buying Charlie Jade...only to bury it overnite, showing it at like
2 or 3 in the a.m. with no promotion?
Never got that at all either. What a waste.
Charlie who? Looked it up. eh
Dano
2011-09-04 16:50:13 UTC
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Post by Dano
How about buying Charlie Jade...only to bury it overnite, showing it at like
2 or 3 in the a.m. with no promotion?
Never got that at all either. What a waste.
Charlie who? Looked it up. eh

===================================

Well worth checking out if you ever get the chance. One of the better
efforts ever for a TV sci-fi series. I liked this one season nearly as much
as Firefly.
RT
2011-09-12 02:48:24 UTC
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Post by RT
Post by Dano
How about buying Charlie Jade...only to bury it overnite, showing it at like
2 or 3 in the a.m. with no promotion?
Never got that at all either. What a waste.
Charlie who? Looked it up. eh
===================================
Well worth checking out if you ever get the chance. One of the better
efforts ever for a TV sci-fi series. I liked this one season nearly as much
as Firefly.
Looked it up on youtube. Meh.
The Doctor
2011-09-02 15:33:39 UTC
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Post by TMC
http://io9.com/5836461/10-actual-mistakes-that-syfy-has-made-over-the-years
1. Canceling Stargate Atlantis.
Stargate Atlantis ran concurrently with Stargate: SG-1 for its first
three years. So there was plenty of precedent for running two Stargate
shows concurrently. And Stargate Atlantis was still scoring pretty
solid ratings when Syfy decided to pull the plug on it and launch
Stargate Universe instead. Continuing Stargate Atlantis after the
launch of Stargate Universe might have kept fans of a lighter Stargate
happy, as well as signaling that the Stargate franchise was merely
growing, not changing direction. Thanks for this idea, Tom!
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space =97 and
you never put him on a spaceship. Syfy's Flash Gordon reboot involved
Flash stepping through a portal to another world, Mongo, which managed
to be simultaneously ultra-campy and kind of dull. (We nicknamed the
show's villain Ming the Middle-Manager, for his aura of seeming fussy
and dyspeptic, rather than actually bad-ass.) They ditched the cool
part of Flash =97 the space adventure =97 in favor of all of the campy,
dated stuff.
3. Abandoning Friday nights as an action-adventure bloc.
Would Battlestar Galactica have maintained its rock-solid ratings if
Syfy had moved it to Tuesdays or Mondays =97 or would it have suffered
the same fate as Caprica and Stargate Universe? We'll never know. But
BSG had been steady on Friday nights since the beginning of its second
season. In fact, Friday night had become a reliable home for Syfy's
more action-oriented shows, and lately only Haven appears there,
alongside wrestling. (Which might do just as well on another night.)
4. Marcel's Quantum Kitchen
When word first leaked that Syfy was doing a cooking show, we mocked.
It seemed to be pushing Syfy's identity a little too far away from
science fiction =97 and outside their core competency. And indeed,
Marcel's Quantum Kitchen was a pretty dismal failure, winning just
330,000 viewers for its final episode. (Even if it is cheap to make.)
Syfy has carved out a niche in spooky reality TV like Ghost Hunters
and Destination Truth =97 shows that I personally will never watch =97 and
Marcel's Quantum Kitchen was just a few steps too far.
5. Making Caprica a Battlestar prequel instead of a standalone show
Producer Remi Aubuchon came to Universal with a pitch for a new show
about artificial intelligence, robots and the creation of life. And
the studio and/or Syfy encouraged Aubuchon to collaborate with Ronald
D. Moore and David Eick, to turn his idea into a Battlestar Galactica
prequel =97 instead of launching it as a new venture. In retrospect,
that was clearly a mistake. Everything that was great about Caprica
could have been great as a new show, but the show felt weighed down by
the need to connect up with what we already knew would happen later.
The show was caught in a chokehold of existing mythology from the
first episode =97 and it was clearly bursting with new ideas that we'd
have loved to see develop further.
6. Not picking up Firefly
Okay, so this one might have an element of wishful thinking. But
around the time that Firefly was getting axed by Fox, there was plenty
of clamor for the Sci-Fi Channel to make a bid to continue Joss
Whedon's masterpiece. There were certainly reports at the time that,
as a 2003 article from the Deseret News puts it, "Firefly was shopped
to other outlets (including the Sci-Fi Channel) but nobody bought it."
Maybe this was never a serious possibility. Maybe it was impossible,
SG-1 from Showtime not long earlier.
7. Letting Doctor Who get away.
When Doctor Who came back to life in 2005, Syfy seemed to have mixed
feelings about it. Everybody expected Syfy to pick up the new show,
since after all the channel had launched with classic Doctor Who
repeats in heavy rotation =97 but Syfy dragged its feet for months, not
airing the Christopher Eccleston episodes until March 2006. The
channel frequently aired Doctor Who in first run with deep cuts to
episodes, and never seemed to have much urgency to air them soon after
their British airings. Finally, Syfy let the show go off to BBC
America, which has propelled it to new ratings heights by treating it
as a major event.
8. Not owning space opera
In the past decade, space opera on television has gone from half a
dozen shows to... none. The 2011 fall TV season in the U.S. won't
include any shows set in space or on a spaceship, on any channel. This
presents a huge opportunity to Syfy, to be the channel that gives you
what you can't get anywhere else. and here's where we mention Syfy's
mistake in cancelling Farscape, as well as the aforementioned mistakes
with Stargate Atlantis and keeping Flash Gordon grounded. Syfy can
reach out to a larger audience that doesn't want to see shows about
starships and pew-pew-pew =97 and still nurture the audience that seeks
those things out. Those are not contradictory goals.
9. The name change
Actually, this one is still up in the air, because Syfy's strategy
still hasn't played out. Part of the rationale behind creating a new
brand name was the ability to brand new associated Syfy ventures,
including Syfy Kids, Syfy Films and Syfy Games. So far, these ventures
appear to have generated very little heat =97 but it's early yet. Syfy
Films is supposed to have its first theatrical release in 2012 =97
although shouldn't that already be in production at this point? In
other ways, though, we can judge the name change a failure. According
to Proud Creative (PDF), which worked on the brand campaign, the goal
was "retaining the positive associations from the genre of science
fiction, whilst appealing to a broader audience and embracing the
benefits of imagination." And the marketing campaign for Caprica, for
example, seemed to emphasize its appeal to that broader audience,
without much noticeable success. Also, as Wired's GeekDad blog pointed
out recently, Syfy's Mark Stern told io9 in 2009 that the name change
would allow Syfy to greenlight more hard science fiction, because
"hard scifi on the Sci-Fi Channel is almost like this double whammy.
Now that we have a brand that is a little broader ... it also gives us
a lot of freedom to do more hard scifi." (In the same interview, Stern
said the channel was looking at launching a new space opera in 2010 or
2011 =97 we're still waiting!) So if one goal of the name change was to
free up Syfy to do more hard science fiction, then it clearly hasn't
worked.
10. Canceling Eureka
And finally... this is what started us thinking about this topic.
Eureka wrapped production on its final ever episode yesterday. And
this still seems really arbitrary, for a show that was still going
strong after four seasons. It would be one thing if Eureka was pulling
in Stargate Universe numbers, but it's not. The most recent episode
drew 2.1 million viewers, compared with 2.3 million for Warehouse 13
and just 1.8 million for Alphas. As Geek Dad points out, this follows
a legacy of canceling Farscape and Dresden Files, both of which were
still enjoying decent ratings.
I wonder if BBC wants to pick up all of the above.
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2011-09-02 15:51:38 UTC
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Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Arthur Lipscomb
2011-09-02 23:02:20 UTC
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Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Lloyd E Parsons
2011-09-02 23:58:57 UTC
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Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
--
Lloyd
Your Name
2011-09-03 00:16:10 UTC
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Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
No idea about the silly Flesh Gordon, but in most versions of Flash
Gordon, once he got to Mongo he coudln't get back for one reason or
another and was basically stuck on the planet battling against Ming and
others (in some versions there are "spaceship" battles above the planet,
either in space or in the air). In the original version the rocketship is
moved along highly visible wires. :)

There have been hawkmen in different versions of Flash Gordon (as well as
two turning up in TV's second season of Buck Rogers). They start off as
Flash Gordon's enemies, but later join him to fight Ming.
RT
2011-09-04 16:48:26 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
No idea about the silly Flesh Gordon, but in most versions of Flash
Gordon, once he got to Mongo he coudln't get back for one reason or
another and was basically stuck on the planet battling against Ming and
others (in some versions there are "spaceship" battles above the planet,
either in space or in the air). In the original version the rocketship is
moved along highly visible wires. :)
There have been hawkmen in different versions of Flash Gordon (as well as
two turning up in TV's second season of Buck Rogers). They start off as
Flash Gordon's enemies, but later join him to fight Ming.
The source material is the comic strip and they did get back to Earth. But
returned to Mongo.
catpandaddy
2011-09-04 20:05:42 UTC
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Post by RT
Post by Your Name
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space - and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
No idea about the silly Flesh Gordon, but in most versions of Flash
Gordon, once he got to Mongo he coudln't get back for one reason or
another and was basically stuck on the planet battling against Ming and
others (in some versions there are "spaceship" battles above the planet,
either in space or in the air). In the original version the rocketship is
moved along highly visible wires. :)
There have been hawkmen in different versions of Flash Gordon (as well as
two turning up in TV's second season of Buck Rogers). They start off as
Flash Gordon's enemies, but later join him to fight Ming.
The source material is the comic strip and they did get back to Earth. But
returned to Mongo.
So many re-imaginings of Flash Gordon over the years... almost makes BSG's
one reboot seem like not such a big deal.
Tim McGaughy
2011-09-04 04:35:56 UTC
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Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
As did the old Flash Gordon comic strip/
Zeb Carter
2011-09-04 13:49:42 UTC
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Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
As did the old Flash Gordon comic strip/
Which can still be found here: http://www.comicskingdom.com/ which will
lead you here http://newsok.com/entertainment/comics
Jette Goldie
2012-01-06 11:11:25 UTC
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Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white serial
Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old enough to see
the serial in cinemas, but during the summer holidays BBC used to show
them daily to keep us kids amused)
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RT
2012-01-13 04:43:28 UTC
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Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white serial
Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old enough to see
the serial in cinemas, but during the summer holidays BBC used to show
them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
The Doctor
2012-01-13 15:22:33 UTC
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Post by RT
Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white serial
Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old enough to see
the serial in cinemas, but during the summer holidays BBC used to show
them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
Black and white is very passe now.
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RT
2012-02-03 16:11:31 UTC
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Post by The Doctor
Post by RT
Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white serial
Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old enough to see
the serial in cinemas, but during the summer holidays BBC used to show
them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
Black and white is very passe now.
So? Lots of classic movies in BW and they still get watched and bought.

And look at one of the current oscar contenders, BW *and* silent...
The Doctor
2012-02-03 21:21:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by RT
Post by The Doctor
Post by RT
Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white serial
Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old enough to see
the serial in cinemas, but during the summer holidays BBC used to show
them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
Black and white is very passe now.
So? Lots of classic movies in BW and they still get watched and bought.
And look at one of the current oscar contenders, BW *and* silent...
Colour it up please.
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Ian B
2012-02-05 05:18:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by RT
Post by The Doctor
Post by RT
Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the
rights of one of space opera's most recognizable characters,
who's famous for flying around on rockets and battling against
aliens in space — and you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck
Rogers did a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted
to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the
character is a bit limited but I always considered spaceships
and space battles to be part of Flash Gordon. The TV version
changed it from battling aliens on another planet to battling
featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white
serial Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old
enough to see the serial in cinemas, but during the summer
holidays BBC used to show them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
Black and white is very passe now.
So? Lots of classic movies in BW and they still get watched and bought.
And look at one of the current oscar contenders, BW *and* silent...
Yes, but that's just being retro for the sake of it, like 8 bit computer
music, not because it's actually any better than colour and sound.

Movies were shot on black and white stock because (a) colour wasn't
available and then (b) when it was, black and white film stock was cheaper.



Ian
RT
2012-03-12 05:07:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ian B
Post by RT
Post by The Doctor
Post by RT
Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the
rights of one of space opera's most recognizable characters,
who's famous for flying around on rockets and battling against
aliens in space — and you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck
Rogers did a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted
to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the
character is a bit limited but I always considered spaceships
and space battles to be part of Flash Gordon. The TV version
changed it from battling aliens on another planet to battling
featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white
serial Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old
enough to see the serial in cinemas, but during the summer
holidays BBC used to show them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
Black and white is very passe now.
So? Lots of classic movies in BW and they still get watched and bought.
And look at one of the current oscar contenders, BW *and* silent...
Yes, but that's just being retro for the sake of it, like 8 bit computer
music, not because it's actually any better than colour and sound.
Movies were shot on black and white stock because (a) colour wasn't
available and then (b) when it was, black and white film stock was cheaper.
And more's the pity for it. Film noir, moodiness is not doable in color.
The Doctor
2012-03-12 14:10:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by RT
Post by Ian B
Post by RT
Post by The Doctor
Post by RT
Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the
rights of one of space opera's most recognizable characters,
who's famous for flying around on rockets and battling against
aliens in space — and you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck
Rogers did a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted
to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the
character is a bit limited but I always considered spaceships
and space battles to be part of Flash Gordon. The TV version
changed it from battling aliens on another planet to battling
featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white
serial Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old
enough to see the serial in cinemas, but during the summer
holidays BBC used to show them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
Black and white is very passe now.
So? Lots of classic movies in BW and they still get watched and bought.
And look at one of the current oscar contenders, BW *and* silent...
Yes, but that's just being retro for the sake of it, like 8 bit computer
music, not because it's actually any better than colour and sound.
Movies were shot on black and white stock because (a) colour wasn't
available and then (b) when it was, black and white film stock was cheaper.
And more's the pity for it. Film noir, moodiness is not doable in color.
Black and White still lives.
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Dillon Pyron
2012-03-13 14:50:43 UTC
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<brigadirde general snappage>
Post by The Doctor
Post by RT
And more's the pity for it. Film noir, moodiness is not doable in color.
Black and White still lives.
Yes, and the quality of good B&W is supreme. I have a dSLR that I use
for color. An SLR that I use for Kodak ASA 64 B&W and my Sea&Sea MX10
goes with Kodachrome 400, but that's a different issued for speed
there. And now I have to learn Fuji when the last of my Kodachrome
defrosts.

I have shot motion in a long time.
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So Kim Jung Ill shows up at the barbecue. "Wait,"
says Qadaffi, "you don't have any peircings." "If you
starve your people enough they'll be too weak to rebbel."
"You have the same number of holes in your head as when
you were born," says bin Laden. "My compound had radar
and antiacraft misslles." "Your neck," shouted Hussein,
"it's the same length." "I didn't piss on W's father."
"Then what happened?" the three asked. "Damned counterfiet
Lipitor and insulin!"
The Doctor
2012-03-13 14:52:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dillon Pyron
<brigadirde general snappage>
Post by The Doctor
Post by RT
And more's the pity for it. Film noir, moodiness is not doable in color.
Black and White still lives.
Yes, and the quality of good B&W is supreme. I have a dSLR that I use
for color. An SLR that I use for Kodak ASA 64 B&W and my Sea&Sea MX10
goes with Kodachrome 400, but that's a different issued for speed
there. And now I have to learn Fuji when the last of my Kodachrome
defrosts.
I have shot motion in a long time.
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Dillon Pyron
2012-03-13 14:45:46 UTC
Permalink
<major snippage>
Post by RT
Post by Ian B
Movies were shot on black and white stock because (a) colour wasn't
available and then (b) when it was, black and white film stock was cheaper.
And more's the pity for it. Film noir, moodiness is not doable in color.
Agreed. Although you should probably admit that "The Wizard of Oz"
HAD to be shot in color. Except that was only for the dream part. And
the transition is still one of the greatest in movie history.

Scratch that. Remove "one of".
--
- dillon I am not invalid

So Kim Jung Ill shows up at the barbecue. "Wait,"
says Qadaffi, "you don't have any peircings." "If you
starve your people enough they'll be too weak to rebbel."
"You have the same number of holes in your head as when
you were born," says bin Laden. "My compound had radar
and antiacraft misslles." "Your neck," shouted Hussein,
"it's the same length." "I didn't piss on W's father."
"Then what happened?" the three asked. "Damned counterfiet
Lipitor and insulin!"
RT
2012-04-21 01:06:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dillon Pyron
<major snippage>
Post by RT
Post by Ian B
Movies were shot on black and white stock because (a) colour wasn't
available and then (b) when it was, black and white film stock was cheaper.
And more's the pity for it. Film noir, moodiness is not doable in color.
Agreed. Although you should probably admit that "The Wizard of Oz"
HAD to be shot in color. Except that was only for the dream part. And
the transition is still one of the greatest in movie history.
Scratch that. Remove "one of".
Hmmm. Can't think of another one like that. Pleasantville comes to mind,
but that's not the same thing.

Bill Steele
2012-01-13 19:46:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by RT
Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white serial
Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old enough to see
the serial in cinemas, but during the summer holidays BBC used to show
them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
The TV show invented the alternate dimension idea to avoid spending
money on CGI spaceships. They wouldn't even pay for hawk wings! I think
if they'd reverted to the serial mode -- models hung on wires -- we
would all have enjoyed it more.
Duggy
2012-01-13 21:06:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Steele
Post by RT
Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white serial
Flash Gordon, with its rocketships.  (ok, not quite old enough to see
the serial in cinemas, but during the summer holidays BBC used to show
them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
The TV show invented the alternate dimension idea to avoid spending
money on CGI spaceships. They wouldn't even pay for hawk wings! I think
if they'd reverted to the serial mode -- models hung on wires -- we
would all have enjoyed it more.
There was an episode of Dexter with models hung on wires.

===
= DUG.
===
RT
2012-02-03 16:14:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Steele
Post by RT
Post by Jette Goldie
Post by Lloyd E Parsons
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
Yep, both Flash Gordon the movie, and Flesh Gordon the bit racier
version, showed Flash traveling by spaceship.
some of us are old enough to remember the old black and white serial
Flash Gordon, with its rocketships. (ok, not quite old enough to see
the serial in cinemas, but during the summer holidays BBC used to show
them daily to keep us kids amused)
And you can buy them.
The TV show invented the alternate dimension idea to avoid spending
money on CGI spaceships. They wouldn't even pay for hawk wings! I think
if they'd reverted to the serial mode -- models hung on wires -- we
would all have enjoyed it more.
Wires? That would have meant an increase in the effects budget.

(there's an ed wood related quote i'm trying to remember, will have to dig
out my ed wood boojk later - i know which box it's in)
David Johnston
2011-09-03 01:37:42 UTC
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Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship?
He did, but but he didn't fight in space. He just crashed and was
stranded there forever more.
Duggy
2011-09-03 03:16:22 UTC
Permalink
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship?  
Flash Gordon was planetary romance... the interest and action is on
the planet meeting and fighting new species not space opera when it's
about space ships fighting.
 The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
There's no denying that the TV show took away everything interesting
about it.

Lower the ages about 5 years and it could have been one of hundreds of
"kids secretly protecting the Earth against the aliens/rift people"
shows.

===
= DUG.
===
RT
2011-09-04 16:47:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Didn't he get to Mongo in a spaceship? My knowledge of the character is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Gordon
Post by Arthur Lipscomb
a bit limited but I always considered spaceships and space battles to be
part of Flash Gordon. The TV version changed it from battling aliens on
another planet to battling featherless hawk people in another dimension.
RT
2011-09-04 16:46:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Johnston
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Yes, to anyone who has been acquainted with the character.
s***@freenet.co.uk
2011-09-10 10:25:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Johnston
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
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catpandaddy
2011-09-10 12:49:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by David Johnston
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot" treatment by
unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
catpandaddy
2011-09-10 12:50:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by David Johnston
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot" treatment by
unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Zeb Carter
2011-09-10 14:02:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Nicole Massey
2011-09-10 16:30:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie was
good but the series went downhill after season 1.
That was probably related to pain on the part of most of the actors as every
time they brushed against Ms. Gray they got splinters.
catpandaddy
2011-09-10 17:37:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nicole Massey
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie was
good but the series went downhill after season 1.
That was probably related to pain on the part of most of the actors as
every time they brushed against Ms. Gray they got splinters.
I am more of the opinion that the splinters came from those plywood-like
special effects models.
Nicole Massey
2011-09-10 19:08:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by catpandaddy
Post by Nicole Massey
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
That was probably related to pain on the part of most of the actors as
every time they brushed against Ms. Gray they got splinters.
I am more of the opinion that the splinters came from those plywood-like
special effects models.
They used those so she'd feel right at home.
Fred Ellis
2011-09-10 18:21:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known. She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s. There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.


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The Doctor
2011-09-10 20:19:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fred Ellis
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known. She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s. There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.
Fred Ellis
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Duggy
2011-09-10 22:01:18 UTC
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2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known.  She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s.  There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.
Wait a second... Buck Rogers was made in the eighties and she was in
her... 30s... what sort of photos are you talking about?

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Tim McGaughy
2011-09-10 22:33:22 UTC
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Post by Fred Ellis
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Post by catpandaddy
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Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known. She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s. There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.
Wait a second... Buck Rogers was made in the eighties and she was in
her... 30s... what sort of photos are you talking about?
She'd have been an early teen at best. Not something normal people would
want to see.
The Doctor
2011-09-10 23:08:16 UTC
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Post by Duggy
Post by Fred Ellis
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known. She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s. There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.
Wait a second... Buck Rogers was made in the eighties and she was in
her... 30s... what sort of photos are you talking about?
She'd have been an early teen at best. Not something normal people would
want to see.
She was born in 1950.
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Tim McGaughy
2011-09-11 16:01:59 UTC
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Post by Fred Ellis
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
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Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known. She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s. There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.
Wait a second... Buck Rogers was made in the eighties and she was in
her... 30s... what sort of photos are you talking about?
She'd have been an early teen at best. Not something normal people would
want to see.
She was born in 1950.
And in the early 60's she'd have been in her early teens. Did you have
something to add?
Duggy
2011-09-11 01:47:33 UTC
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Post by Duggy
Post by Fred Ellis
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known.  She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s.  There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.
Wait a second... Buck Rogers was made in the eighties and she was in
her... 30s... what sort of photos are you talking about?
She'd have been an early teen at best. Not something normal people would
want to see.
That's what I'm saying.

===
= DUG.
===
Tim McGaughy
2011-09-10 22:24:39 UTC
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Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known. She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s. There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.
<scrambles to start web search...>
Duggy
2011-09-11 01:47:38 UTC
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Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Fred Ellis
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known.  She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s.  There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.
<scrambles to start web search...>
Do the math. Do the math.

===
= DUG.
===
Tim McGaughy
2011-09-11 16:05:03 UTC
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Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Fred Ellis
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
Here's a little tidbit of information about Erin Gray that most people
might not have known. She was once a member of a nudist colony back in
the late '50s, early '60s. There're photos out there of her when she
was a member.
<scrambles to start web search...>
Do the math. Do the math.
Point taken.
Your Name
2011-09-10 21:57:43 UTC
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Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that screwed up
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the second season
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change the name
to Galactica 1980.
RT
2011-09-12 02:58:00 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that screwed up
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the second season
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change the name
to Galactica 1980.





Your Name
2011-09-12 04:20:06 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that screwed up
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the second season
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change the name
to Galactica 1980.
http://youtu.be/yptoaCKZ0Tw
http://youtu.be/8oFX7IgLlD
http://youtu.be/aKFNrae_QDY
Sorry, YouTube "sux" via a dial-up connection, so those links aren't even
worth trying for me.
Tim McGaughy
2011-09-13 02:44:13 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by RT
Post by Your Name
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that screwed up
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the second season
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change the name
to Galactica 1980.
http://youtu.be/yptoaCKZ0Tw
http://youtu.be/8oFX7IgLlD
http://youtu.be/aKFNrae_QDY
Sorry, YouTube "sux" via a dial-up connection, so those links aren't even
worth trying for me.
No net access in your parents' basement, eh?
Your Name
2011-09-13 04:07:32 UTC
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Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Your Name
Post by RT
Post by Your Name
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that screwed up
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the second season
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change the name
to Galactica 1980.
http://youtu.be/yptoaCKZ0Tw
http://youtu.be/8oFX7IgLlD
http://youtu.be/aKFNrae_QDY
Sorry, YouTube "sux" via a dial-up connection, so those links aren't even
worth trying for me.
No net access in your parents' basement, eh?
Dial-up is "net access", dumbass. :-\

Simple fact is I can't be bothered paying the over-priced cost for
broadband - it's bad enough paying for the cost dial-up when the useless
morons at Vodafone New Zealand can't even run their servers properly. :-(
Tim McGaughy
2011-09-16 11:02:18 UTC
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Post by RT
Post by Your Name
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that screwed up
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the second season
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change the name
to Galactica 1980.
http://youtu.be/yptoaCKZ0Tw
http://youtu.be/8oFX7IgLlD
http://youtu.be/aKFNrae_QDY
Sorry, YouTube "sux" via a dial-up connection, so those links aren't even
worth trying for me.
No net access in your parents' basement, eh?
Dial-up is "net access", dumbass.
Not really.
Post by Your Name
Simple fact is I can't be bothered paying the over-priced cost for
broadband
You can't get your parents to wire up the basement?
Your Name
2011-09-16 21:29:09 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Your Name
Post by RT
Post by Your Name
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that screwed up
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the second season
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change the name
to Galactica 1980.
http://youtu.be/yptoaCKZ0Tw
http://youtu.be/8oFX7IgLlD
http://youtu.be/aKFNrae_QDY
Sorry, YouTube "sux" via a dial-up connection, so those links aren't even
worth trying for me.
No net access in your parents' basement, eh?
Dial-up is "net access", dumbass.
Not really.
Post by Your Name
Simple fact is I can't be bothered paying the over-priced cost for
broadband
You can't get your parents to wire up the basement?
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
catpandaddy
2011-09-17 00:30:21 UTC
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Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that
screwed up
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Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Your Name
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the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the
second season
Post by Tim McGaughy
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Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Your Name
Post by RT
Post by Your Name
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change
the name
Post by Tim McGaughy
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Post by Tim McGaughy
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to Galactica 1980.
http://youtu.be/yptoaCKZ0Tw
http://youtu.be/8oFX7IgLlD
http://youtu.be/aKFNrae_QDY
Sorry, YouTube "sux" via a dial-up connection, so those links aren't even
worth trying for me.
No net access in your parents' basement, eh?
Dial-up is "net access", dumbass.
Not really.
Post by Your Name
Simple fact is I can't be bothered paying the over-priced cost for
broadband
You can't get your parents to wire up the basement?
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
You're going to continue to say "Whatever utter crap you want to believe",
right? ;o)
Your Name
2011-09-17 01:08:47 UTC
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You're going to continue to say "Whatever utter crap you want to believe",
right? ;o)
I will whenever a moron can't read or is being a pendatic idiot for the
sake of it. Such imbeciles simply aren't worth bothering to try and deal
with in any other way.
Tim McGaughy
2011-09-17 05:36:05 UTC
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You're going to continue to say "Whatever utter crap you want to believe",
right? ;o)
I will whenever a moron can't read or is being a pendatic idiot for the
sake of it. Such imbeciles simply aren't worth bothering to try and deal
with in any other way.
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
Tim McGaughy
2011-09-17 05:34:28 UTC
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Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that
screwed up
Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Your Name
Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Your Name
Post by RT
Post by Your Name
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the
second season
Post by Tim McGaughy
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Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Your Name
Post by RT
Post by Your Name
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change
the name
Post by Tim McGaughy
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Post by Tim McGaughy
Post by Your Name
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to Galactica 1980.
http://youtu.be/yptoaCKZ0Tw
http://youtu.be/8oFX7IgLlD
http://youtu.be/aKFNrae_QDY
Sorry, YouTube "sux" via a dial-up connection, so those links aren't even
worth trying for me.
No net access in your parents' basement, eh?
Dial-up is "net access", dumbass.
Not really.
Post by Your Name
Simple fact is I can't be bothered paying the over-priced cost for
broadband
You can't get your parents to wire up the basement?
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
You personify utter crap, but I'm not buying it.
RT
2011-09-18 23:18:19 UTC
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Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that screwed up
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the second season
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change the name
to Galactica 1980.
http://youtu.be/yptoaCKZ0Tw
http://youtu.be/8oFX7IgLlD
http://youtu.be/aKFNrae_QDY
Sorry, YouTube "sux" via a dial-up connection, so those links aren't even
worth trying for me.
Well then, here's the caption for the first one:

Buck Rogers Twiki the Robot Falls in Love

Nuff said.

Go to a library with public access and enjoy.
catpandaddy
2011-09-19 00:14:19 UTC
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Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot"
treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray would
probably fall into that category. The theatrical release of the movie
was good but the series went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that screwed up
the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica ... the second season
of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of Battlestar
Galactica, although they did at least have the decency to change the name
to Galactica 1980.
http://youtu.be/yptoaCKZ0Tw
http://youtu.be/8oFX7IgLlD
http://youtu.be/aKFNrae_QDY
Sorry, YouTube "sux" via a dial-up connection, so those links aren't even
worth trying for me.
Buck Rogers Twiki the Robot Falls in Love
Nuff said.
Go to a library with public access and enjoy.
Whatever utter beliefs they wish to crap!
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2011-09-13 20:15:09 UTC
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Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the
"Reboot" treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no
original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray
would probably fall into that category. The theatrical release
of the movie was good but the series went downhill after season
1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that
screwed up the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica
... the second season of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the
second season of Battlestar Galactica, although they did at
least have the decency to change the name to Galactica 1980.
It wasn't a second season. It was different people, with a
different premise, and was produced as a children's show.
--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Your Name
2011-09-13 20:55:43 UTC
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Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the
"Reboot" treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no
original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin Gray
would probably fall into that category. The theatrical release
of the movie was good but the series went downhill after season
1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge that
screwed up the second season of (the real) Battlestar Galactica
... the second season of Buck Rogers was MUCH better than the
second season of Battlestar Galactica, although they did at
least have the decency to change the name to Galactica 1980.
It wasn't a second season. It was different people, with a
different premise, and was produced as a children's show.
Whatever you want to believe. :-\
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2011-09-13 22:14:35 UTC
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Post by Your Name
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Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the
"Reboot" treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no
original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin
Gray would probably fall into that category. The theatrical
release of the movie was good but the series went downhill
after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge
that screwed up the second season of (the real) Battlestar
Galactica ... the second season of Buck Rogers was MUCH
better than the second season of Battlestar Galactica,
although they did at least have the decency to change the
name to Galactica 1980.
It wasn't a second season. It was different people, with a
different premise, and was produced as a children's show.
Whatever you want to believe. :-\
I'll take the word of one of the guys who worked on the show (Alan
Cole) over some random retard on the internet. And Mr. Cole says
you're a retarded troll who would be in heaven if only he could
suck his own dick.
--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Your Name
2011-09-14 06:09:34 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by Zeb Carter
Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the
"Reboot" treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no
original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin
Gray would probably fall into that category. The theatrical
release of the movie was good but the series went downhill
after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge
that screwed up the second season of (the real) Battlestar
Galactica ... the second season of Buck Rogers was MUCH
better than the second season of Battlestar Galactica,
although they did at least have the decency to change the
name to Galactica 1980.
It wasn't a second season. It was different people, with a
different premise, and was produced as a children's show.
Whatever you want to believe. :-\
I'll take the word of one of the guys who worked on the show (Alan
Cole) over some random retard on the internet. And Mr. Cole says
you're a retarded troll who would be in heaven if only he could
suck his own dick.
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2011-09-14 16:50:59 UTC
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Post by catpandaddy
Post by catpandaddy
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the
"Reboot" treatment by unimaginative tv execs with no
original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century with Gil Gerard and Erin
Gray would probably fall into that category. The
theatrical release of the movie was good but the series
went downhill after season 1.
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge
that screwed up the second season of (the real) Battlestar
Galactica ... the second season of Buck Rogers was MUCH
better than the second season of Battlestar Galactica,
although they did at least have the decency to change the
name to Galactica 1980.
It wasn't a second season. It was different people, with a
different premise, and was produced as a children's show.
Whatever you want to believe. :-\
I'll take the word of one of the guys who worked on the show
(Alan Cole) over some random retard on the internet. And Mr.
Cole says you're a retarded troll who would be in heaven if
only he could suck his own dick.
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
I want to - and do - believe the truth.

You?
--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Your Name
2011-09-14 20:58:01 UTC
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For that you can thank the same brainless fools in charge
that screwed up the second season of (the real) Battlestar
Galactica ... the second season of Buck Rogers was MUCH
better than the second season of Battlestar Galactica,
although they did at least have the decency to change the
name to Galactica 1980.
It wasn't a second season. It was different people, with a
different premise, and was produced as a children's show.
Whatever you want to believe. :-\
I'll take the word of one of the guys who worked on the show
(Alan Cole) over some random retard on the internet. And Mr.
Cole says you're a retarded troll who would be in heaven if
only he could suck his own dick.
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
I want to - and do - believe the truth.
You?
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2011-09-14 22:35:41 UTC
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Post by Your Name
For that you can thank the same brainless fools in
charge that screwed up the second season of (the real)
Battlestar Galactica ... the second season of Buck
Rogers was MUCH better than the second season of
Battlestar Galactica, although they did at least have
the decency to change the name to Galactica 1980.
It wasn't a second season. It was different people, with
a different premise, and was produced as a children's
show.
Whatever you want to believe. :-\
I'll take the word of one of the guys who worked on the show
(Alan Cole) over some random retard on the internet. And Mr.
Cole says you're a retarded troll who would be in heaven if
only he could suck his own dick.
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
I want to - and do - believe the truth.
You?
Whatever utter crap you want to believe. :-\
I know you are, but what am I?

You will now reply.
--
Terry Austin

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Your Name
2011-09-10 21:59:42 UTC
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2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot" treatment by
unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
In terms of TV shows, possibly, but there were movie "remakes" (of both
Falsh Gordon and other ideas) LONG before that. There were also "remakes",
or more precisely "rip-offs", of books even further back.
catpandaddy
2011-09-10 22:19:27 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by David Johnston
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot" treatment by
unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
In terms of TV shows, possibly, but there were movie "remakes" (of both
Falsh Gordon and other ideas) LONG before that. There were also "remakes",
or more precisely "rip-offs", of books even further back.
Books should never be done visually, just as movies should never have
novelizations made of them.
Your Name
2011-09-10 23:10:51 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Was Flash Gordon the first tv series to be given the "Reboot" treatment by
unimaginative tv execs with no original ideas?
Sorry should have said "one of the first" series.
In terms of TV shows, possibly, but there were movie "remakes" (of both
Falsh Gordon and other ideas) LONG before that. There were also "remakes",
or more precisely "rip-offs", of books even further back.
Books should never be done visually, just as movies should never have
novelizations made of them.
I really meant a new book "remaking" / "ripping-off" an older book, but
you're right, there were and are of course also movies / TV shows that
"remake" books, and as always Hollyweird makes lot sof idiotic changes for
no real reason other than they think they know better than the original
author.
Duggy
2011-09-10 22:02:26 UTC
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Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships?  News to me.  Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Buster Crabbe was in the original comic strip version?

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Your Name
2011-09-10 23:12:24 UTC
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Buster Crabbe was in the original comic strip version?
Please ignore that Pedantic Prat posting his usual inane reply. :-(
Zeb Carter
2011-09-11 02:17:37 UTC
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Post by s***@freenet.co.uk
Post by David Johnston
Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space ??? and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did
a lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Errrr... How do you think he got to mongo in the first place?
In dr zarkov's rocket ship. There was a lot of corny flying around shooting
sparklers at each other in flash gordon. (the original buster crabbe
version)
Buster Crabbe was in the original comic strip version?
===
= DUG.
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Buster Crabbe played both iconic roles. If I remember right, he and
Johnny Weismuller were contemporaries with regard to being swimming
Olympic swimming champs. I could be wrong.
Clu
2011-10-11 04:27:01 UTC
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2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Well, I'll admit, the Flash Gordon series was lame. I tried to watch
it. I am a huge John Carter, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, Adam Strange
fan, and that show should have been right up my ally, but it was just a
weak attempt at a fun character. The Hawkmen to me were the first sign
the show was a half-arse attempt at the comic for television. No wings,
but they had capes/cloaks to help them glide/fly. An interesting
concept if they were not Hawkmen.


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Clu
2011-10-11 04:27:01 UTC
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Post by TMC
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Well, I'll admit, the Flash Gordon series was lame. I tried to watch
it. I am a huge John Carter, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, Adam Strange
fan, and that show should have been right up my ally, but it was just a
weak attempt at a fun character. The Hawkmen to me were the first sign
the show was a half-arse attempt at the comic for television. No wings,
but they had capes/cloaks to help them glide/fly. An interesting
concept if they were not Hawkmen.


-^P^-
/=\__/= JUBAL - Colonial Pilot & Poet
|=(- _O)= Classic BSG forum.. fly with us:
|=\____)= http://www.colonialfleets.com
'|_\ '
Jette Goldie
2012-01-06 11:09:21 UTC
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2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship.
Flash Gordon battled aliens in spaceships? News to me. Buck Rogers did a
lot of spaceship stuff, but Flash was restricted to Mongo.
Yep, he battled aliens on planets, after travelling there by spaceship.
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T987654321
2011-09-03 00:06:57 UTC
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A1: Stoped being a SciFi channel!!!
Jerry Heyman
2011-09-03 00:28:09 UTC
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A1: Stoped being a SciFi channel!!!
Which was the intent of the rebranding. The highest rated show on the
network is the wrestling!

I've been disappointed ever since they cancelled "The Dresden Files".
I will admit, the series did bring the books to my attention, and I've
become a big fan of the books AND the short lived series.

jerry
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g***@earthlink.net
2011-09-10 15:27:36 UTC
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SyFy channel is just awful. Their choice of programming is
inexplicable. So many great old sci-fi shows that they've never run
even once. Others they've run once or twice but not enough. But the
Dr. Who lapse is ridiculous.

I think BBC could be talked into licensing the old Dr. Who shows to
SyFy on a non-exclusive basis. After all, BBC America is in so few
markets at all, and even in those few you have to order the premium
package to get it. Not as if SyFy would be competing with a station
hardly anyone gets.

Don't know why, I guess I was feeling brain dead that day, but I
recently watched a movie about giant crocodiles devouring people on an
island. A crocodile fancier on the island had been feeding the crocs
meat from cows that had been fed on growth hormone, and the crocs she
fed grew to the size of dinosaurs. Acting abominable, dialog
abominable, premise absurd. Will some agency please yank SyFy's
license and give it to someone with an interest in Science Fiction!!!
p***@aol.com
2011-09-11 02:54:52 UTC
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http://io9.com/5836461/10-actual-mistakes-that-syfy-has-made-over-the...
1. Canceling Stargate Atlantis.
Stargate Atlantis ran concurrently with Stargate: SG-1 for its first
three years. So there was plenty of precedent for running two Stargate
shows concurrently. And Stargate Atlantis was still scoring pretty
solid ratings when Syfy decided to pull the plug on it and launch
Stargate Universe instead. Continuing Stargate Atlantis after the
launch of Stargate Universe might have kept fans of a lighter Stargate
happy, as well as signaling that the Stargate franchise was merely
growing, not changing direction. Thanks for this idea, Tom!
On the other hand, there are so many good reasons for cancelling
anything with the name "Stargate"...
2. Making Flash Gordon non-space-bound.
This one still makes us scratch our heads. You get to do the rights of
one of space opera's most recognizable characters, who's famous for
flying around on rockets and battling against aliens in space — and
you never put him on a spaceship. Syfy's Flash Gordon reboot involved
Flash stepping through a portal to another world, Mongo, which managed
to be simultaneously ultra-campy and kind of dull. (We nicknamed the
show's villain Ming the Middle-Manager, for his aura of seeming fussy
and dyspeptic, rather than actually bad-ass.) They ditched the cool
part of Flash — the space adventure — in favor of all of the campy,
dated stuff.
If I recall correctly, in the original comics Flash did spend most of
his time on Mongo, assisting rebel factions against Ming. The space-
based serials came later, after the end of the original Flash black-
and-white serial killed Ming off. The change was in the use of a
portal rather than a ship to get there - in itself trivial,
considering just how many other problems existed with the Flash Gordon
remake. And surely "campy, dated stuff" is what Flash always was all
about - look at the cult classic the '70s film became, which ramped up
the dated camp more than even the original serials. I didn't recognise
campy dated stuff in the remake, but then I only made it through a few
episodes. As for Ming, again that was a problem in execution rather
than concept - the intent was apparently to turn him into a dictator
to emphasise the story's political elements, rather than the scheming
camp supervillain of times past.
3. Abandoning Friday nights as an action-adventure bloc.
Would Battlestar Galactica have maintained its rock-solid ratings if
Syfy had moved it to Tuesdays or Mondays — or would it have suffered
the same fate as Caprica and Stargate Universe? We'll never know. But
BSG had been steady on Friday nights since the beginning of its second
season. In fact, Friday night had become a reliable home for Syfy's
more action-oriented shows, and lately only Haven appears there,
alongside wrestling. (Which might do just as well on another night.)
Uh...sci-fi wrestling?
4. Marcel's Quantum Kitchen
When word first leaked that Syfy was doing a cooking show, we mocked.
It seemed to be pushing Syfy's identity a little too far away from
science fiction — and outside their core competency.
I would point out that, having just blamed Sci-fi for Stargate, Flash
Gordon and Caprica, it's surely rather a stretch to describe sci-fi as
any kind of "competency" where the channel is concerned... I would
point out The Lost World and its ilk, as well as such wonderful
cinematic treats as Komodo vs. Cobra.

Has Sci-Fi, in fact, ever produced a purely homegrown watchable sci-fi
TV show? It gave Battlestar Galactica a US home, but don't forget that
that was not a Sci-Fi Channel series in its first season; the majority
of its funding was provided by Sky One (which is why Britain aired
those episodes earlier than the US), Sci-Fi just picked up the bill
after the show's credentials were already established.
5. Making Caprica a Battlestar prequel instead of a standalone show
Producer Remi Aubuchon came to Universal with a pitch for a new show
about artificial intelligence, robots and the creation of life. And
the studio and/or Syfy encouraged Aubuchon to collaborate with Ronald
D. Moore and David Eick, to turn his idea into a Battlestar Galactica
prequel — instead of launching it as a new venture. In retrospect,
that was clearly a mistake. Everything that was great about Caprica
could have been great as a new show, but the show felt weighed down by
the need to connect up with what we already knew would happen later.
The show was caught in a chokehold of existing mythology from the
first episode — and it was clearly bursting with new ideas that we'd
have loved to see develop further.
Actually the show barely tied in with the BSG mythology aside from the
religious angle, and about the only thing that kept a lot of people
watching was, I suspect, mild curiosity to see how this bizarre set of
mismatched lifts combining The Matrix, The Sopranos and Hollyoaks
would lead in its meandering, vaguely plotless way to something
resembling the BSG universe (or, failing that, something resembling a
story would have been a good start). Caprica, again, failed on too
many levels to tie it simply to its branding. It had strong moments,
but from the start it was a mix of interesting ideas whose
relationships weren't thought through, aimless plotting that gave no
sense the writers had a clue where they were going, and for some
strange and highly offputting reason, a surfeit of bad teen soap
opera.
6. Not picking up Firefly
Okay, so this one might have an element of wishful thinking. But
around the time that Firefly was getting axed by Fox, there was plenty
of clamor for the Sci-Fi Channel to make a bid to continue Joss
Whedon's masterpiece. There were certainly reports at the time that,
as a 2003 article from the Deseret News puts it, "Firefly was shopped
to other outlets (including the Sci-Fi Channel) but nobody bought it."
Maybe this was never a serious possibility. Maybe it was impossible,
SG-1 from Showtime not long earlier.
I've still never seen Firefly, so can't comment.
7. Letting Doctor Who get away.
When Doctor Who came back to life in 2005, Syfy seemed to have mixed
feelings about it. Everybody expected Syfy to pick up the new show,
since after all the channel had launched with classic Doctor Who
repeats in heavy rotation — but Syfy dragged its feet for months, not
airing the Christopher Eccleston episodes until March 2006. The
channel frequently aired Doctor Who in first run with deep cuts to
episodes, and never seemed to have much urgency to air them soon after
their British airings. Finally, Syfy let the show go off to BBC
America, which has propelled it to new ratings heights by treating it
as a major event.
One wonders whether it would have been as successful if Sci-Fi had
picked it up - Sci-Fi has a broader catalogue of shows to promote,
while BBC America seems to recycle a rather limited number of BBC
series. BBC America has more of a vested interest in plugging Dr Who
specifically, just as its British counterpart does, because the rights
to merchandising lie with the corporation and it's one of the BBC's
highest-grossing exports.
8. Not owning space opera
In the past decade, space opera on television has gone from half a
dozen shows to... none. The 2011 fall TV season in the U.S. won't
include any shows set in space or on a spaceship, on any channel. This
presents a huge opportunity to Syfy, to be the channel that gives you
what you can't get anywhere else. and here's where we mention Syfy's
mistake in cancelling Farscape, as well as the aforementioned mistakes
with Stargate Atlantis and keeping Flash Gordon grounded.
Is this a Sci-fi 'mistake' or just a sign of the times? Space opera is
universally seen as dated by TV networks, and sci-fi is packaged to
give it more 'respectability', or at least perceived social relevance,
by instead using near-future settings with contemporary themes. I'm
not sure this is even confined to space opera; heroic adventure shows
are largely a thing of the past, and have been for so long that
Hercules and Xena felt nostalgic when they aired in the '90s. Shows
like Game of Thrones and Battlestar Galactica, with more ambiguous
characters and heavily political themes, have replaced the Star Treks
of years past. Most space operas fall into that category, hence they
go the same way.
9. The name change
Actually, this one is still up in the air, because Syfy's strategy
still hasn't played out. Part of the rationale behind creating a new
brand name was the ability to brand new associated Syfy ventures,
including Syfy Kids, Syfy Films and Syfy Games. So far, these ventures
appear to have generated very little heat — but it's early yet. Syfy
Films is supposed to have its first theatrical release in 2012 —
although shouldn't that already be in production at this point? In
other ways, though, we can judge the name change a failure. According
to Proud Creative (PDF), which worked on the brand campaign, the goal
was "retaining the positive associations from the genre of science
fiction, whilst appealing to a broader audience and embracing the
benefits of imagination."
How on Earth is it intended to do that? By broadening it's appeal to
include not just typical science-fiction fans, but also the ones who
can't spell?

And the marketing campaign for Caprica, for
example, seemed to emphasize its appeal to that broader audience,
without much noticeable success.
Quite possibly because it was trying to be three different shows for
three different audiences *at the same time*, rather than one show for
several audiences, hence its sense of confusion about its own identity
and direction. Though why the producers thought the teen soap audience
would be one of the target demographics I have no idea.

Also, as Wired's GeekDad blog pointed
out recently, Syfy's Mark Stern told io9 in 2009 that the name change
would allow Syfy to greenlight more hard science fiction, because
"hard scifi on the Sci-Fi Channel is almost like this double whammy.
Now that we have a brand that is a little broader ... it also gives us
a lot of freedom to do more hard scifi."
He may have said it, but it's self-evidently gibberish.

(In the same interview, Stern
said the channel was looking at launching a new space opera in 2010 or
2011 — we're still waiting!)
Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome? Has that aired yet?

So if one goal of the name change was to
free up Syfy to do more hard science fiction, then it clearly hasn't
worked.
TV has never done hard science fiction. It's hard to imagine a
lightweight channel like Sci-Fi giving it a shot.
10. Canceling Eureka
And finally... this is what started us thinking about this topic.
Eureka wrapped production on its final ever episode yesterday. And
this still seems really arbitrary, for a show that was still going
strong after four seasons. It would be one thing if Eureka was pulling
in Stargate Universe numbers, but it's not. The most recent episode
drew 2.1 million viewers, compared with 2.3 million for Warehouse 13
and just 1.8 million for Alphas. As Geek Dad points out, this follows
a legacy of canceling Farscape and Dresden Files, both of which were
still enjoying decent ratings.
Alsoa show I've never seen.

Phil
Deeyana
2011-09-11 04:34:40 UTC
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Post by p***@aol.com
On the other hand, there are so many good reasons for cancelling
anything with the name "Stargate"...
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
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