Question that has probably been discussed to death, but I wasn't here to read the answer

Post by Beth Smarr
After Boomer shot Adama, Tigh had
flashbacks to meeting Adama on a space
freighter and they plan to return to the
fleet. Huh? What is the story here? After
the First Cylon War, were they mustered
out?

It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon War I. Both
would have been teenagers when it ended.

I got the impression Tigh was kicked out of the Fleet due to his
drinking, and his longtime friend Adama got him back in.

--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Adam Savage

Beth Smarr

2005-10-09 15:09:23 UTC

It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon War I. Both
would have been teenagers when it ended.
I got the impression Tigh was kicked out of the Fleet due to his
drinking, and his longtime friend Adama got him back in.
--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Adam Savage

Thank you.

--
Beth

Andrew Venor

2005-10-09 16:16:29 UTC

It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon War I. Both
would have been teenagers when it ended.
I got the impression Tigh was kicked out of the Fleet due to his
drinking, and his longtime friend Adama got him back in.
--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Adam Savage

Much of this was covered in several of Ron Moore's Podcasts and the
flashback scenes this season.

Tigh started out the first war as a Chief Petty Officer who got his
commission after he was the senior surviving NCO on a ship that was
boarded by the Cylons. After receiving his commission he was trained as
a Viper pilot. It was Tigh's experiences fighting a long bloody war
that led him to try and find some comfort in the bottle.

Bill Adama entered the Fleet as a Viper pilot late in the war and was
serving on the Galactica at the end of the conflict.

After the war both men were discharged, along with many other
servicemen, from the Colonial military during a general down sizing of
the forces. It was after the war while serving on a merchant ship that
Tigh and Adama met for the first time.

Adama used his wife's family connections to get reinstated in the
Colonial forces. And then after getting settled back in used his
connections to get Tigh back in as well.

ALV

Beth Smarr

2005-10-09 16:47:54 UTC

Post by Andrew Venor

It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon War I. Both
would have been teenagers when it ended.
I got the impression Tigh was kicked out of the Fleet due to his
drinking, and his longtime friend Adama got him back in.
--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Adam Savage

Much of this was covered in several of Ron Moore's Podcasts and the
flashback scenes this season.
Tigh started out the first war as a Chief Petty Officer who got his
commission after he was the senior surviving NCO on a ship that was
boarded by the Cylons. After receiving his commission he was trained as
a Viper pilot. It was Tigh's experiences fighting a long bloody war
that led him to try and find some comfort in the bottle.
Bill Adama entered the Fleet as a Viper pilot late in the war and was
serving on the Galactica at the end of the conflict.
After the war both men were discharged, along with many other
servicemen, from the Colonial military during a general down sizing of
the forces. It was after the war while serving on a merchant ship that
Tigh and Adama met for the first time.
Adama used his wife's family connections to get reinstated in the
Colonial forces. And then after getting settled back in used his
connections to get Tigh back in as well.
ALV

Thank you :) I missed a whole lot coming into viewership late, didn't I.

--
Beth

Ridge

2005-10-09 20:40:01 UTC

Post by Beth Smarr

Post by Andrew Venor

It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon War I. Both
would have been teenagers when it ended.
I got the impression Tigh was kicked out of the Fleet due to his
drinking, and his longtime friend Adama got him back in.
--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Adam Savage

Much of this was covered in several of Ron Moore's Podcasts and the
flashback scenes this season.
Tigh started out the first war as a Chief Petty Officer who got his
commission after he was the senior surviving NCO on a ship that was
boarded by the Cylons. After receiving his commission he was trained
as a Viper pilot. It was Tigh's experiences fighting a long bloody
war that led him to try and find some comfort in the bottle.
Bill Adama entered the Fleet as a Viper pilot late in the war and was
serving on the Galactica at the end of the conflict.
After the war both men were discharged, along with many other
servicemen, from the Colonial military during a general down sizing
of the forces. It was after the war while serving on a merchant ship
that Tigh and Adama met for the first time.
Adama used his wife's family connections to get reinstated in the
Colonial forces. And then after getting settled back in used his
connections to get Tigh back in as well.
ALV

Thank you :) I missed a whole lot coming into viewership late, didn't I.

Not really, there's a huge backstory that Moore and Co. have worked out
in their pencil sketches of the characters but we see very little of it
onscreen, the content is really just reference material to help the
writers.

--
http://www.thisismyurl.com
http://www.nickiclyne.com

Puter pomum est dulcis donum.

Joseph S. Powell, III

2011-06-15 05:54:35 UTC

Post by Andrew Venor

It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon War I. Both
would have been teenagers when it ended.
I got the impression Tigh was kicked out of the Fleet due to his
drinking, and his longtime friend Adama got him back in.
--
"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Adam Savage

Except, of course, that these are from fabricated memories and falsified
records, as Tigh and the rest of his group did not arrive at the Colonies
until toward the end of the war; in fact, they pursueded the Cylons to end
it with the promise of flesh bodies and ressurection.

jay

2005-10-09 17:55:31 UTC

Post by Chris Â®
It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon
War I. Both would have been teenagers when it ended.

The war ended 50 years before the beginning of BSG.
They'd have to be about 70 years old to have served in
it.

Bryan

2005-10-09 18:22:58 UTC

Post by jay

Post by Chris Â®
It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon
War I. Both would have been teenagers when it ended.

The war ended 50 years before the beginning of BSG.
They'd have to be about 70 years old to have served in
it.

where are you getting 50 years?

It is 40 years and that would make them need to be around 60 which they
both could easily qualify for.

jay

2005-10-09 22:46:41 UTC

Post by Bryan

Post by jay

Post by Chris Â®
It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon
War I. Both would have been teenagers when it ended.

The war ended 50 years before the beginning of BSG.
They'd have to be about 70 years old to have served in
it.

where are you getting 50 years?

I could be misremembering, but I remember something in the
early part of the run, maybe even the mini, about the cylons
having disappeared for 50 years.

Post by Bryan
It is 40 years and that would make them need to be around
60 which they both could easily qualify for.

If it's 40 years, that certainly works.

Tim McGaughy

2005-10-09 20:45:29 UTC

It's doubtful that either Tigh or Adama fought in Cylon War I. Both
would have been teenagers when it ended.

That can be your little secret.

the other Eric

2005-10-09 16:54:33 UTC

The short answer is that both served in the first Cylon war and both
ended up doing civilian work on a freighter after the war. For the
long answer you can go to podcast and listen to 'Valley of Darkness'
where 1/3 of the way through Moore tells us of a great deleted sene
about the two men. I hope that one makes the 2nd season DVD. The
podcast for 'Scattered' may also shed some light.

http://www.podcast.net/show/30020

Post by Beth Smarr
As I said, I
didn't watch Season 1 (too tired on Fridays to stay up after school),
but after watching the first half of Season 2 this summer, I bought
Season 1 when it came out 20 September.

Say, did you get the first season on DVD and if so do you recommend it?

Regards,

-Eric

jay

2005-10-09 17:51:31 UTC

On 9 Oct 2005 09:54:33 -0700, "the other Eric"

The short answer is that both served in the first Cylon war
and both ended up doing civilian work on a freighter after
the war.

Serving in the war just doesn't seem possible. Unless I'm
misremembering, they'd have to be around 70 years old to
have served then.

the other Eric

2005-10-09 18:44:19 UTC

jay wrote:

<snip>

Post by jay
Serving in the war just doesn't seem possible. Unless I'm
misremembering, they'd have to be around 70 years old to
have served then.

Maybe people in this story have slightly longer average life spans.
That would keep them in their prime longer. It would probably happen
here if we had less polution.

Regards,

-Eric

Marcovaldo

2005-10-09 20:47:14 UTC

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the other Eric

2005-10-09 21:03:30 UTC

Post by the other Eric
<snip>

Post by jay
Serving in the war just doesn't seem possible. Unless I'm
misremembering, they'd have to be around 70 years old to
have served then.

Maybe people in this story have slightly longer average life spans.
That would keep them in their prime longer. It would probably happen
here if we had less polution.

I don't remember when they said the Cylon war took place.

40 years prior to the mini. I'm guessing that would put Adama
somewhere around 64 and Tigh about 68.

Post by Marcovaldo
But in the episode
that was repeated on Friday, Tigh was familiar with the Cylon tactic of
penetrating to the damage control sections of the ship to open the air
locks. He said he had seen it before, indicating he was on a ship during the
Cylon war.

To my knowledge that would make these two the only vets of the first
war still alive. Perhaps Admiral Cain's old XO was a vet as well. Her
new one doens't look onld enough.

Regards,

-Eric

jay

2005-10-09 22:43:40 UTC

On 9 Oct 2005 14:03:30 -0700, "the other Eric"

Post by jay
Serving in the war just doesn't seem possible. Unless
I'm misremembering, they'd have to be around 70 years
old to have served then.

Maybe people in this story have slightly longer average
life spans. That would keep them in their prime longer.
It would probably happen here if we had less polution.

I don't remember when they said the Cylon war took
place.

40 years prior to the mini. I'm guessing that would put
Adama somewhere around 64 and Tigh about 68.

I could live with that, but I'm sure I remember something,
perhaps in the mini, about the Cylons not being seen for
50 years. I could be wrong, but I remember having that
fixed in my head.

GBZ

2005-10-10 01:06:24 UTC

Post by jay
I could live with that, but I'm sure I remember something,
perhaps in the mini, about the Cylons not being seen for
50 years. I could be wrong, but I remember having that
fixed in my head.

It is about 40 years and it is in the first three minutes of the miniseries' first
half. You should be able to read it on screen in the shot of the family pictures,
showing the colonial officers wife and kid.

Hunter

2005-10-10 01:18:23 UTC

Post by jay
On 9 Oct 2005 14:03:30 -0700, "the other Eric"

Post by jay
Serving in the war just doesn't seem possible. Unless
I'm misremembering, they'd have to be around 70 years
old to have served then.

Maybe people in this story have slightly longer average
life spans. That would keep them in their prime longer.
It would probably happen here if we had less polution.

I don't remember when they said the Cylon war took
place.

40 years prior to the mini. I'm guessing that would put
Adama somewhere around 64 and Tigh about 68.

I could live with that, but I'm sure I remember something,
perhaps in the mini, about the Cylons not being seen for
50 years. I could be wrong, but I remember having that
fixed in my head.

--
In the opening sequence in the four hour movie with the Colonial
officer waiting for the never showing Cylon representative at the
Armistice Station, there were over titles giving a thumb nail sketch of
Colonial Cylon history. Included was this: "No one has seen or heard
from the Cylons in over forty years." I interpet "over forty years" as
41, 42, maybe 43 years but no more. After that, people start to say
about 45 years at the 44, 45 and 46 and maybe 47 year points. Starting
at about 48 years people would start to say "about 50 years ago"

--->Hunter

-Lunacy-

2005-10-10 03:52:07 UTC

so "about 40" could also be 38 !

Post by Hunter
." I interpet "over forty years" as
41, 42, maybe 43 years but no more. After that, people start to say
about 45 years at the 44, 45 and 46 and maybe 47 year points. Starting
at about 48 years people would start to say "about 50 years ago"
--->Hunter

Bryan

2005-10-10 03:59:23 UTC

Post by -Lunacy-
so "about 40" could also be 38 !

maybe but they didn't say"about 40" they said "over 40"

-Lunacy-

2005-10-10 04:06:35 UTC

ah yup

Post by Bryan

Post by -Lunacy-
so "about 40" could also be 38 !

maybe but they didn't say"about 40" they said "over 40"

Hunter

2005-10-11 18:29:11 UTC

Post by -Lunacy-

so "about 40" could also be 38 !

---
Yes. People round off all the time.

--->Hunter

EBRENT PRICE

2005-10-12 18:39:20 UTC

Post by Hunter

Post by -Lunacy-

so "about 40" could also be 38 !

---
Yes. People round off all the time.
--->Hunter

Yes. Some people say I'm very round.

E. Brent Price

Andrew Venor

2005-10-10 02:50:29 UTC

Post by the other Eric
<snip>

Post by jay
Serving in the war just doesn't seem possible. Unless I'm
misremembering, they'd have to be around 70 years old to
have served then.

Maybe people in this story have slightly longer average life spans.
That would keep them in their prime longer. It would probably happen
here if we had less polution.

I don't remember when they said the Cylon war took place. But in the episode
that was repeated on Friday, Tigh was familiar with the Cylon tactic of
penetrating to the damage control sections of the ship to open the air
locks. He said he had seen it before, indicating he was on a ship during the
Cylon war.

The podcast commentary for Valley of Darkness mentioned a scene deleted
run time. In it we see Tigh and Adama in a flashback to their days on
the merchant ship. There Tigh tells Adama of the time the Cylons
boarded his ship and tried to capture the auxiliary fire and damage
control stations. Adama said that the same thing happened to him on the
Galactica during the war as well.

ALV

Beth Smarr

2005-10-09 21:07:19 UTC

Post by the other Eric
<snip>

Post by jay
Serving in the war just doesn't seem possible. Unless I'm
misremembering, they'd have to be around 70 years old to
have served then.

Maybe people in this story have slightly longer average life spans.
That would keep them in their prime longer. It would probably happen
here if we had less polution.
Regards,
-Eric

Somewhere in the back of my head a voice is saying that people now have
an average life span of 120 years. That may be from a different
series/scifi work, though.

--
Beth

Hunter

2005-10-10 01:03:39 UTC

Post by the other Eric
<snip>

Post by jay
Serving in the war just doesn't seem possible. Unless I'm
misremembering, they'd have to be around 70 years old to
have served then.

Maybe people in this story have slightly longer average life spans.
That would keep them in their prime longer. It would probably happen
here if we had less polution.
Regards,
-Eric

---
Cylon War I was 40 years ago, but even if it was 50 years ago your
supposition that the Colonials have slightly longer life spans than we
do is quite reasonable. Regardless, Adama is in great shape for a man
in his 60's. (40 years ago+being at least 20 at the time he got his
wings=60) He went toe-to toe with a Leoban Cylon that was younger than
him both in human and Cylon terms and much stronger, albeit Leoban was
weakend by the radiation at Ragnor Anchorage. Recovered rapidly after
being gut shot twice by T-Boomer. Has a Kung-Fu tight grip that can
crush walnuts and leave H-Boomer gasping for air, not to mention
picking her off the ground and body slaming her to it while maintaining
said grip. I'm at least twenty years younger than he and I wouldn't
want to go up against him.

--->Hunter

Marcovaldo

2005-10-10 01:11:40 UTC

Post by Hunter
---
Adama is in great shape for a man
in his 60's.

Right. He looks like he's only 58 ; )

Beth Smarr

2005-10-09 21:05:58 UTC

<snip>

Say, did you get the first season on DVD and if so do you recommend it?
Regards,
-Eric

Yes, I bought the first season as soon as it became available. It has
the miniseries on the first disc. I highly recommend it.

--
Beth

Glassman

2005-10-10 05:09:54 UTC

Post by Beth Smarr
Spoiler space for others who, like me, didn't watch Battlestar Galactica
until this season and have not yet watched the first season DVDs

At some point this spoiler paranoia has got to end.... this one may just
do it.

--
JK Sinrod
Sinrod Stained Glass Studios
www.sinrodstudios.com
Coney Island Memories
www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories

Joseph S. Powell, III

2011-06-15 05:56:32 UTC

Post by Glassman

Post by Beth Smarr
Spoiler space for others who, like me, didn't watch Battlestar Galactica
until this season and have not yet watched the first season DVDs

At some point this spoiler paranoia has got to end.... this one may just
do it.

You mean spoilers like Col. Tigh being a Cylon? ;)

2011-06-20 02:26:19 UTC

Post by Joseph S. Powell, III

Post by Glassman

Post by Beth Smarr
Spoiler space for others who, like me, didn't watch Battlestar Galactica
until this season and have not yet watched the first season DVDs

At some point this spoiler paranoia has got to end.... this one may just
do it.

You mean spoilers like Col. Tigh being a Cylon? ;)

WHAT????

Tigh was a CYLON????

;)

where

2005-10-10 05:33:47 UTC