The original Battlestar Galactica series bible is Ron Moore's rebuke to Star Trek

[Yousuf Khan]

The original Battlestar Galactica series bible is Ron Moore's rebuke to
Star Trek
"Ron Moore's original series bible for Battlestar Galactica is online,
and it's full of critiques of "bumpy-headed aliens,"
"techno-double-talk" and other Star Trek mainstays. The most important
thing to remember about the Cylons? "They are not the Borg."

The jabs at Star Trek from Moore — who had only recently ended a long
stint on The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and (briefly) Voyager —
are the first thing that jump out at you when you read the bible. Moore
is out for "nothing less than the reinvention of the science fiction
television series." And that means avoiding "the usual stories about
parallel universes, time-travel, mind-control, evil twins, God-like
powers and all the other cliches." And the roster of characters should
not include "'the cocky guy,' 'the fast-talker,' 'the brain,' 'the wacky
alien sidekick' or any of the other usual characters."
http://io9.com/5743142/the-original-battlestar-galactica-series-bible-is-ron-moores-rebuke-to-star-trek

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The original Battlestar Galactica series bible

The grammar of that sentence is miselading. Ron Moore's version is not the
"original" Battlestar Galactica series, and despite what the morons at SciFi
or SyFy (or whatever silly name they ahve this week) Ron Moore's show is not
an original series either. It would have been more easily understood if it
had left out the word "original".

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is Ron Moore's rebuke to Star Trek
"Ron Moore's original series bible for Battlestar Galactica is online,
and it's full of critiques of "bumpy-headed aliens,"
"techno-double-talk" and other Star Trek mainstays. The most important
thing to remember about the Cylons? "They are not the Borg."

From what little of the new show that I bothered to understand, Ron Moore's
cylons are the anti-Borg ... the Borg want everything to become them, the
cylons want to become sort-of human ... Ron Moore's cylons are basically
copies of Star Trek's Data

[Yousuf Khan]

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The original Battlestar Galactica series bible

The grammar of that sentence is miselading. Ron Moore's version is not the
"original" Battlestar Galactica series, and despite what the morons at SciFi
or SyFy (or whatever silly name they ahve this week) Ron Moore's show is not
an original series either. It would have been more easily understood if it
had left out the word "original".

I guess they meant it as original in the sense that it was the original
series from which Caprica came from.

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is Ron Moore's rebuke to Star Trek
"Ron Moore's original series bible for Battlestar Galactica is online,
and it's full of critiques of "bumpy-headed aliens,"
"techno-double-talk" and other Star Trek mainstays. The most important
thing to remember about the Cylons? "They are not the Borg."

From what little of the new show that I bothered to understand, Ron Moore's
cylons are the anti-Borg ... the Borg want everything to become them, the
cylons want to become sort-of human ... Ron Moore's cylons are basically
copies of Star Trek's Data

Data was Pinnochio, he wanted to be accepted by humans. The Cylons were
somewhere in between the Borg and Data. Cylons wanted to be the
replacements for humans, but want to be exactly like them in every
sense. The Borg want everything to be like Borgs.

Yousuf Khan

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The original Battlestar Galactica series bible

The grammar of that sentence is miselading. Ron Moore's version is not the
"original" Battlestar Galactica series, and despite what the morons at SciFi
or SyFy (or whatever silly name they ahve this week) Ron Moore's show is not
an original series either. It would have been more easily understood if it
had left out the word "original".

I guess they meant it as original in the sense that it was the original
series from which Caprica came from.

Nope. SciFi / SyFy have a bad habit of calling the shows they make
"original" simply because they make them rather than buy them from
elsewhere.

There's a similar stupidity here in New Zealand where a show is not labelled
as a "rerun" when it's played on one network, even though it has already
played on another network.

[Wouter Valentijn]

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The original Battlestar Galactica series bible

The grammar of that sentence is miselading. Ron Moore's version is
not the "original" Battlestar Galactica series, and despite what
the morons at SciFi or SyFy (or whatever silly name they ahve this
week) Ron Moore's show is not an original series either. It would
have been more easily understood if it had left out the word
"original".

I guess they meant it as original in the sense that it was the
original series from which Caprica came from.

Nope. SciFi / SyFy have a bad habit of calling the shows they make
"original" simply because they make them rather than buy them from
elsewhere.

True.

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There's a similar stupidity here in New Zealand where a show is not
labelled as a "rerun" when it's played on one network, even though it
has already played on another network.

That's because they want to ignore the existence of other networks. :-)
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Wouter Valentijn www.j3v.net

http://www.nksf.scifics.com/startrek.html

http://www.zeppodunsel.blogspot.com/ (NKSF TV Tips Blog)

Giles: "I'd like to test that theory."
'Buffy the Vampire Slayer 6x21: Two To Go.'

liam=mail
--
Wouter Valentijn www.j3v.net

http://www.nksf.scifics.com/startrek.html

http://www.zeppodunsel.blogspot.com/ (NKSF TV Tips Blog)

Giles: "I'd like to test that theory."
'Buffy the Vampire Slayer 6x21: Two To Go.'

liam=mail

[catpandaddy]

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liam=mail

No, liam = neeson.

[Wouter Valentijn]

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liam=mail

No, liam = neeson.

Damn!
All this time I was thinking about liam=gallagher!
(who calls himself 'mail' once in a while)
--
Wouter Valentijn www.j3v.net

http://www.nksf.scifics.com/startrek.html

http://www.zeppodunsel.blogspot.com/ (NKSF TV Tips Blog)

Giles: "I'd like to test that theory."
'Buffy the Vampire Slayer 6x21: Two To Go.'

liam=mail

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There's a similar stupidity here in New Zealand where a show is not
labelled as a "rerun" when it's played on one network, even though it
has already played on another network.

That's because they want to ignore the existence of other networks. :-)

More likely the reasons include:

- the networks are too damn lazy to check or store such information,

- TV Guide and other TV listings are too lazy to double-check
network supplied information,

- the idiots in network management stupidly believe by not marking
shows as re-runs the viewers will tune in ... which they will do, for
all
of two minutes until they realise they've been conned.

Some shows that switch network like "Home Improvement" and "The Simpsons"
are on near-continuous weekday loop or have been cancelled long ago, so it's
blindingly obvious the shows will be re-runs.

[Wouter Valentijn]

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There's a similar stupidity here in New Zealand where a show is not
labelled as a "rerun" when it's played on one network, even though
it has already played on another network.

That's because they want to ignore the existence of other networks. :-)

- the networks are too damn lazy to check or store such
information,

If a show gets aired in the US, and after that in Canada, would the folks in
Canada call it a rerun?

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- TV Guide and other TV listings are too lazy to double-check
network supplied information,
- the idiots in network management stupidly believe by not marking
shows as re-runs the viewers will tune in ... which they will
do, for all
of two minutes until they realise they've been conned.
Some shows that switch network like "Home Improvement" and "The
Simpsons" are on near-continuous weekday loop or have been cancelled
long ago, so it's blindingly obvious the shows will be re-runs.

So, you are referring to stations belonging to the same company, or to
stations belonging to rivals?
Would a rival that has a show on their network for the first time also call
it a rerun?

Must admit I'm not familiar with the New Zealand media landscape.
If it is like ours its like a maze.
Here are our public broadcasters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Public_Broadcasting
And here the commercial ones:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerci%C3%ABle_televisie#Nederland (sadly the
only extensive page is in Dutch, but it should give an indication of how it
looks like. Or use Google translate:
http://translate.google.com/translate?tl=en&sourceid=ie8-activity&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnl.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCommerci%25C3%25ABle_televisie.
The main commercial stations are clustered in two major rival groups, RTL
and SBS group.

Ah! Found something about New Zealand:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_in_New_Zealand
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Wouter Valentijn www.j3v.net

http://www.nksf.scifics.com/startrek.html

http://www.zeppodunsel.blogspot.com/ (NKSF TV Tips Blog)

Giles: "I'd like to test that theory."
'Buffy the Vampire Slayer 6x21: Two To Go.'

liam=mail

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There's a similar stupidity here in New Zealand where a show is not
labelled as a "rerun" when it's played on one network, even though
it has already played on another network.

That's because they want to ignore the existence of other networks. :-)

- the networks are too damn lazy to check or store such
information,

If a show gets aired in the US, and after that in Canada, would the folks in
Canada call it a rerun?

Actually, that's referred to as "first-run syndication" for the lagging
countries.

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There's a similar stupidity here in New Zealand where a show is not
labelled as a "rerun" when it's played on one network, even though
it has already played on another network.

That's because they want to ignore the existence of other networks. :-)

- the networks are too damn lazy to check or store such
information,

If a show gets aired in the US, and after that in Canada, would the folks in
Canada call it a rerun?

Nope, of course not, but I'm talking about the local networks here in New
Zealand.

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- TV Guide and other TV listings are too lazy to double-check
network supplied information,
- the idiots in network management stupidly believe by not marking
shows as re-runs the viewers will tune in ... which they will
do, for all of two minutes until they realise they've been conned.
Some shows that switch network like "Home Improvement" and "The
Simpsons" are on near-continuous weekday loop or have been cancelled
long ago, so it's blindingly obvious the shows will be re-runs.

So, you are referring to stations belonging to the same company, or to
stations belonging to rivals?
Would a rival that has a show on their network for the first time also call
it a rerun?

Both. Because each of the networks run multiple channels / stations, they
often shift shows between them and don't bother calling the re-runs. Some
shows also change networks and are not labelled as re-runs.

They go to great lengths to advertise shows as "first time on NZ TV"
(sometimes this is slightly misleading since the show may have already
been on the Sky TV subscriber channels), so it's not like they don't
already follow and know what the other networks are doing.

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Must admit I'm not familiar with the New Zealand media landscape.
If it is like ours its like a maze.

I haven't had time to check the Wiki link you gave, but the New Zeland TV
media is basically made up of three main networks:

- TVNZ
government owned
runs channels TV One, TV2, TV6 and TV7

- MediaWorks
Canadian owned (last time I looked)
runs channels TV3, Four, music video channel C4
and a 1-hour delayed channel TV3+1

- Sky
Australian "owned"
runs the free-to-air / public channel Prime as well
as the normal Sky scriber channels

On top of those there's a few extra regional and "special interest"
channels which broadcast a load of rubbish (e.g. parliament TV) and a
Maori TV channel which has shows mostly in the Maori language (some NZ
made, some dubbed, some sub-titled in Maori).