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Finding Galactica traces after time
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RT
2011-09-12 02:01:52 UTC
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Interesting.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128294.100-scour-earth-for-traces-of-intelligent-aliens.html
Scour Earth for traces of intelligent aliens

If smart aliens exist, they may have visited Earth millions of years ago –
and left signs of their technological prowess that should be cheap and easy
for us to detect.

So says astrophysicist Paul Davies of Arizona State University in Tempe.
Traditionally, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) has
focused on listening for deliberate dispatches in radio signals. But in 50
years of searching, this costly approach has drawn a blank.

So Davies suggests scouring our own planet, even our cells, on the off-chance
that aliens visited and did what amounts to scrawling "We were here" on the
walls. "We can answer the question 'Are we alone?' without picking up
messages," he says. "We may see indirect evidence of alien technology based
on the footprint it leaves."

If aliens did come to our cosmic neighbourhood, it was probably hundreds of
millions of years ago. Any "footprints" would have to last for eons to be
detected by us. That means a manufactured slab of rock in the style of
2001: A Space Odyssey would be a poor candidate: it would erode,
or at least get buried before we came to notice it.

But detritus from industry, such as mining, might last. Former mines on the
Earth, the moon or asteroids could show up in geological surveys, even if
they have filled in or eroded since the aliens left, says Davies.

Nuclear waste is another possibility. Davies suggests we search for
plutonium-244. The element occurs naturally on Earth in trace amounts only
and has a half-life of 80 million years. So substantial deposits would be a
sign of alien nuclear technology.

This echoes a suggestion by Frank Drake of the SETI Institute in California
that aliens might have used radioactive materials to mark the location of a
message.

Aliens may even have left deliberate messages in our DNA, Davies says. Most
DNA includes long sequences that seem to serve no biological function.
Aliens may have embedded code in this "junk DNA" – a sequence of prime
numbers as in the movie Contact, say – to signal their existence to us.

Microbiologist Steve Benner of the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution
in Gainesville, Florida, reckons such a message would get deleted pretty
quickly. "Paul is being a little too extravagant here," he says. "He
overestimated the robustness of non-functional DNA."
...

Regarding that last part - mitochondrial Eve anyone?
Your Name
2011-09-12 04:18:42 UTC
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Post by RT
Interesting.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128294.100-scour-earth-for-traces-of-intelligent-aliens.html
Post by RT
Scour Earth for traces of intelligent aliens
If smart aliens exist, they may have visited Earth millions of years ago –
and left signs of their technological prowess that should be cheap and easy
for us to detect.
So says astrophysicist Paul Davies of Arizona State University in Tempe.
Traditionally, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) has
focused on listening for deliberate dispatches in radio signals. But in 50
years of searching, this costly approach has drawn a blank.
Whether or not you believe SETI could actually find anything, 50 years is
an insignificantly miniscule amount of time when searching such a massive
area ... unless you believe technological beings exit in massive numbers
throughout the universe.
Post by RT
So Davies suggests scouring our own planet, even our cells, on the off-chance
that aliens visited and did what amounts to scrawling "We were here" on the
walls. "We can answer the question 'Are we alone?' without picking up
messages," he says. "We may see indirect evidence of alien technology based
on the footprint it leaves."
If aliens did come to our cosmic neighbourhood, it was probably hundreds of
millions of years ago. Any "footprints" would have to last for eons to be
detected by us. That means a manufactured slab of rock in the style of
2001: A Space Odyssey would be a poor candidate: it would erode,
or at least get buried before we came to notice it.
Not quite true. There are already a few things like the Crystal Skulls
that are reportedly could not have been made by human beings, even using
modern day equipment. There are things like the "computer" found in
ancient Greek / Roman shipwrecks that also seem out of place with what
"experts" currently believe was possible / happening at that time in
history.
Post by RT
But detritus from industry, such as mining, might last. Former mines on the
Earth, the moon or asteroids could show up in geological surveys, even if
they have filled in or eroded since the aliens left, says Davies.
Nuclear waste is another possibility. Davies suggests we search for
plutonium-244. The element occurs naturally on Earth in trace amounts only
and has a half-life of 80 million years. So substantial deposits would be a
sign of alien nuclear technology.
This echoes a suggestion by Frank Drake of the SETI Institute in California
that aliens might have used radioactive materials to mark the location of a
message.
Aliens may even have left deliberate messages in our DNA, Davies says. Most
DNA includes long sequences that seem to serve no biological function.
Aliens may have embedded code in this "junk DNA" – a sequence of prime
numbers as in the movie Contact, say – to signal their existence to us.
Microbiologist Steve Benner of the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution
in Gainesville, Florida, reckons such a message would get deleted pretty
quickly. "Paul is being a little too extravagant here," he says. "He
overestimated the robustness of non-functional DNA."
...
Regarding that last part - mitochondrial Eve anyone?
The manipulation of human evolution is an old idea and appears in the
verbal (and pictorial) history of native races in many countries. Even
many scientists believe the original organic compounds that created life
actually came from Mars or a passing comet.
Yousuf Khan
2011-09-12 16:01:34 UTC
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Post by RT
Interesting.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128294.100-scour-earth-for-traces-of-intelligent-aliens.html
Scour Earth for traces of intelligent aliens
If smart aliens exist, they may have visited Earth millions of years ago –
and left signs of their technological prowess that should be cheap and easy
for us to detect.
So says astrophysicist Paul Davies of Arizona State University in Tempe.
Traditionally, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) has
focused on listening for deliberate dispatches in radio signals. But in 50
years of searching, this costly approach has drawn a blank.
Our own use of radio broadcasts are getting both smaller in scale and
more widespread and noisy. The large transmitter radio communications
that are used for radio and television are less common, replaced by
cable (copper and fibre). At the same time, small transmitter radio
communications has ballooned, such as Wi-Fi networking and cellphones,
Radio signals coming off of the Earth won't look any different than the
noisy radio signals that come off of stars. And who's to say we won't
tapering off of our radio use even further into the future.

It's even possible that aliens don't use radio for communications, in
the same sense that we do. Since it takes too long for radio to
broadcast across the galaxy, they may have wormholes or quantum
entanglement relays that go beyond the speed of light. They may still
use radio, but they'd direct it through one of these devices that send
them through the universe faster. The radio signals would thus
completely bypass us on Earth, going from source to destination with no
travel in between.
Post by RT
Aliens may even have left deliberate messages in our DNA, Davies says. Most
DNA includes long sequences that seem to serve no biological function.
Aliens may have embedded code in this "junk DNA" – a sequence of prime
numbers as in the movie Contact, say – to signal their existence to us.
Microbiologist Steve Benner of the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution
in Gainesville, Florida, reckons such a message would get deleted pretty
quickly. "Paul is being a little too extravagant here," he says. "He
overestimated the robustness of non-functional DNA."
...
The so-called "Junk DNA" is just the DNA for which scientists haven't
found their use for yet. Doesn't mean that they don't have a function,
we just haven't discovered it.

However, it may be possible that aliens engineered our species for
maximum intelligence, but that wouldn't leave a mark that we could see
in our DNA. It would just look like normal evolution. For example, the
homo sapiens as a species has already existed for 200,000 years, maybe
more. But about 70,000 years ago, something nearly wiped the species
out, it went from millions down to maybe only 5000 individuals, and then
it's built back upto the 6 billion+ that we have now. But the 6 billion
people we have now, come from the original 5000 survivors, it seems that
our genetic diversity is extremely small. It's possible that maybe a
virus was engineered to wipe out the less intelligent amongst us, but to
put an immunity in for those with a specific gene for high intelligence.
It seems this event was extremely selective back then.

Yousuf Khan
dilbert firestorm
2011-10-28 00:57:58 UTC
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Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by RT
Interesting.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128294.100-scour-earth-for-traces-of-intelligent-aliens.html
Scour Earth for traces of intelligent aliens
If smart aliens exist, they may have visited Earth millions of years ago –
and left signs of their technological prowess that should be cheap and easy
for us to detect.
So says astrophysicist Paul Davies of Arizona State University in Tempe.
Traditionally, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) has
focused on listening for deliberate dispatches in radio signals. But in 50
years of searching, this costly approach has drawn a blank.
Our own use of radio broadcasts are getting both smaller in scale and
more widespread and noisy. The large transmitter radio communications
that are used for radio and television are less common, replaced by
cable (copper and fibre). At the same time, small transmitter radio
communications has ballooned, such as Wi-Fi networking and cellphones,
Radio signals coming off of the Earth won't look any different than the
noisy radio signals that come off of stars. And who's to say we won't
tapering off of our radio use even further into the future.
It's even possible that aliens don't use radio for communications, in
the same sense that we do. Since it takes too long for radio to
broadcast across the galaxy, they may have wormholes or quantum
entanglement relays that go beyond the speed of light. They may still
use radio, but they'd direct it through one of these devices that send
them through the universe faster. The radio signals would thus
completely bypass us on Earth, going from source to destination with no
travel in between.
Post by RT
Aliens may even have left deliberate messages in our DNA, Davies says. Most
DNA includes long sequences that seem to serve no biological function.
Aliens may have embedded code in this "junk DNA" – a sequence of prime
numbers as in the movie Contact, say – to signal their existence to us.
Microbiologist Steve Benner of the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution
in Gainesville, Florida, reckons such a message would get deleted pretty
quickly. "Paul is being a little too extravagant here," he says. "He
overestimated the robustness of non-functional DNA."
...
The so-called "Junk DNA" is just the DNA for which scientists haven't
found their use for yet. Doesn't mean that they don't have a function,
we just haven't discovered it.
However, it may be possible that aliens engineered our species for
maximum intelligence, but that wouldn't leave a mark that we could see
in our DNA. It would just look like normal evolution. For example, the
homo sapiens as a species has already existed for 200,000 years, maybe
more. But about 70,000 years ago, something nearly wiped the species
out, it went from millions down to maybe only 5000 individuals, and then
it's built back upto the 6 billion+ that we have now. But the 6 billion
people we have now, come from the original 5000 survivors, it seems that
our genetic diversity is extremely small. It's possible that maybe a
virus was engineered to wipe out the less intelligent amongst us, but to
put an immunity in for those with a specific gene for high intelligence.
It seems this event was extremely selective back then.
Yousuf Khan
They're called the Annanaki, from the Sumerian stories about their visit.
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Matt Wiser
2011-11-03 04:40:57 UTC
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Post by RT
Interesting.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128294.100-scour-earth-for-traces-of
-intelligent-aliens.html
Post by dilbert firestorm
Post by Yousuf Khan
Post by RT
Scour Earth for traces of intelligent aliens
If smart aliens exist, they may have visited Earth millions of years ago –
and left signs of their technological prowess that should be cheap and easy
for us to detect.
So says astrophysicist Paul Davies of Arizona State University in Tempe.
Traditionally, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) has
focused on listening for deliberate dispatches in radio signals. But in 50
years of searching, this costly approach has drawn a blank.
Our own use of radio broadcasts are getting both smaller in scale and
more widespread and noisy. The large transmitter radio communications
that are used for radio and television are less common, replaced by
cable (copper and fibre). At the same time, small transmitter radio
communications has ballooned, such as Wi-Fi networking and cellphones,
Radio signals coming off of the Earth won't look any different than the
noisy radio signals that come off of stars. And who's to say we won't
tapering off of our radio use even further into the future.
It's even possible that aliens don't use radio for communications, in
the same sense that we do. Since it takes too long for radio to
broadcast across the galaxy, they may have wormholes or quantum
entanglement relays that go beyond the speed of light. They may still
use radio, but they'd direct it through one of these devices that send
them through the universe faster. The radio signals would thus
completely bypass us on Earth, going from source to destination with no
travel in between.
Post by RT
Aliens may even have left deliberate messages in our DNA, Davies says. Most
DNA includes long sequences that seem to serve no biological function.
Aliens may have embedded code in this "junk DNA" – a sequence of prime
numbers as in the movie Contact, say – to signal their existence to us.
Microbiologist Steve Benner of the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution
in Gainesville, Florida, reckons such a message would get deleted pretty
quickly. "Paul is being a little too extravagant here," he says. "He
overestimated the robustness of non-functional DNA."
...
The so-called "Junk DNA" is just the DNA for which scientists haven't
found their use for yet. Doesn't mean that they don't have a function,
we just haven't discovered it.
However, it may be possible that aliens engineered our species for
maximum intelligence, but that wouldn't leave a mark that we could see
in our DNA. It would just look like normal evolution. For example, the
homo sapiens as a species has already existed for 200,000 years, maybe
more. But about 70,000 years ago, something nearly wiped the species
out, it went from millions down to maybe only 5000 individuals, and then
it's built back upto the 6 billion+ that we have now. But the 6 billion
people we have now, come from the original 5000 survivors, it seems that
our genetic diversity is extremely small. It's possible that maybe a
virus was engineered to wipe out the less intelligent amongst us, but to
put an immunity in for those with a specific gene for high intelligence.
It seems this event was extremely selective back then.
Yousuf Khan
They're called the Annanaki, from the Sumerian stories about their visit.
--
<---=««-Dilbert Firestorm-»»=--->
Zizzle that Fire - it's Zizzle Time !!!!!!!
Or the An, if you've read Ian Slater's books about the Marine Corps in
Space.

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